[PGT] Loss - 10/28/2024 - Golden Knights defeat Flames 5-0

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

A lot of hate being directed towards Huberdeau and Mantha, but I think Kadri and Kuzmenko have been absolute turds at both ends of the rink for 90% of the year and have pretty much escaped criticism. Sharangovich is also clearly a step or two behind which is to be expected.

At the very least we are seeing Zary blossom into a player who really looks like a capable 1st line forward. His ability and confidence in holding onto and protecting the puck is world class for a guy his size. I think his offense is being neutered to some degree by being stapled to Backlund and Coleman.

All the vets have been terrible sans Backlund. Coleman's been making the odd idiotic play.

[dammage79]

Coach just needs to tinker with the lines. Team is slumping? Through some new combos out, swap in some positive contributors from the farm or the player who are getting healthy.

This isn't a roster that should be locked in stone for any period of time.

Only thing they shouldn't do is tinker with the goaltending. That seems to be working well.

[Royle9]

Play the kids, including wolf as primary starter.
Don’t waste assets to try and salvage anything, continue rebuild.

Lots more losses on the way, most of our vets are just collecting pay cheques.

[GreenLantern2814]

Maybe we shouldn't stress about Montreal getting our 1st round pick just yet.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am not overly concerned at this point with wins and losses. Towards the trade deadline, if the Flames are in a playoff position, then I will hate losses, and if they are at the bottom of the standings, losses will be easier to accept. Right now, I am more focused on how this team is playing and how entertaining they really are. I have sat through too many boring games in the Gultuzan through Ward era, and even that last season with Sutter was about as fun to watch as being poked in the eye with a stick.


First big loss of the season, and it was a statement in my opinion. The Flames are a fun, gutsy and hard-working team. Any team not expecting that will get run over. This isn't a pushover of a team. However, it is a team bereft of high-end talent. They have not had enough high end talent since '89, arguably.



I went into this season thinking that this team is a bottom 3 team. Defence has held up much better than I anticipated. Goalies - both of them - have been really good too. I still think they will end up being in the bottom 5, as long as Conroy doesn't make any moves to prop them up (which I doubt he will).


Last night they played a top-end team. On paper, it was no contest. Theory won out last night. You can not realistically expect a hard-working, lunch-pail group of players to always outwork, the opposition. Heck, I think the Flames outworked the Knights most of the night. Knights just decided to turn it on and either matched - or came close to matching - the Flames in effort, and they ended up blowing Calgary out.



Calgary has a great culture. I hope they keep it up. I do expect many more losses than I expect wins, but wins are fun. I am not getting too down or too up for wins and losses. Just give me entertaining hockey where the team I cheer for cares and they play hard. Give me a product that I can stand behind.



Enjoy the losses because they are fun, they are more exciting and much more rewarding. However, don't take the losses so seriously. Know that they will eventually allow the Flames to get better by finally finding a #1 centre - something that they really haven't had since Nieuwendyk and Gilmour left town (and Savard, though he wasn't that here at the time, though he was well on his way).



As for the Flames giving up and mailing it in - I disagree. They got outplayed. I didn't see an effort level (though like many, I do wonder what Huberdeau was laughing at near the end - I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but you really hate to see a player laughing as their team is getting blown-out, as it is just a terrible look). I thought they played hard, and were probably the harder working team. They lost because Vegas decided to work hard for the last 25-30 minutes.


I also disagree with Vladar 'sucking'. There is a lot of wiggle room between "Elite level steal every game" goalie vs "Sucks so bad beachballs find their way through". I think Vladar was more than good enough to win this game. A goalie doesn't have to stand on his head in order to win a game, nor should that be the expectation. I thought he played very well through the first two periods, and I only see one goal (even that was arguable) that I felt Vladar should have had.



I guess in the end it comes down to expectations. I expect this team to be a bottom 3 team. If you expect this team to be a top 10 or 12 team, then I can understand how one can be down on this team after last night. This season has been beyond my expectations, and if they continue winning more than they lose, than I will keep cheering until I lose my voice. I don't enjoy losses. i just comfort myself in knowing that the losses will bring back a top pick. The worst case scenario is finishing 11th this season. I am sure that the Flames will fall back down to Earth, and that's fine. Whether it's Hagens or McQueen or someone else, then that's taking a big step forward by taking a step back. If the Flames make the playoffs and even win a round, that's awesome too - winning is fun.


I thought the Flames played well, but just couldn't match Vegas. I think the problem with relying on hard work to win games is that sometimes the more talented team will turn it up in a game, and make you look silly. Hard work should be the backbone of the Flames' culture no matter how talented or not they may be. Just work hard so that as talent is slowly injected into this lineup, they learn how to win the right way. They can still win when they are tired, or just have an off-night. Just crank it up for a half period. I also think it much be exhausting to constantly work harder than opposing teams.



Great season so far. Flames are entertaining this year, even if last night got kind of ugly.


I will also like to highlight Zary. It is really fun watching his evolution. He definitely makes the Flames better. What a treat to have him on the team.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Play the kids, including wolf as primary starter.
Don’t waste assets to try and salvage anything, continue rebuild.

Lots more losses on the way, most of our vets are just collecting pay cheques.

Goalie rotation is fine. If anything Vladar should get most of the starts because he needs to be moved.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Play the kids, including wolf as primary starter.
Don’t waste assets to try and salvage anything, continue rebuild.

Lots more losses on the way, most of our vets are just collecting pay cheques.

I'm ok with the goalie split. Maybe the real bonus for this season is getting a good return on Vladar.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Listening to Schwingt in the post game interview, sounds like he didn't like being waived.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Listening to Schwingt in the post game interview, sounds like he didn't like being waived.

In all seriousness, I find that a little funny. He’s fallen into a great situation, if I were him I’d be thanking my lucky stars

[Strange Brew]

Nor do I think Schwindt is guaranteed of anything. He’s last among their forwards in icetime and he didn’t have much to show for his efforts before last night.

Still, good on Vegas for sticking with him. I wish Huska would be a little more stubborn. If he believed with conviction that Pospisil was the answer at C, why not give him 20 games at the position.

[dissentowner]

If Vegas stays hot over the next 20 games we should see the annual Stone is out until game 1 so we can add trick.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Omg not this again.

You realize Stone is the reason they are doing so well. If he’s out of the lineup they are screwed.

[Mr.Coffee]

Nm. Misread that!

[dino7c]

Vegas is pounding everyone at home...bit of an over reaction in here to say the least
Flames were one of the last teams to be blown out in a game this season...Jets haven't yet, can't think of anyone else. The #1 cup contender Oilers have been blown out what 4 or 5 times now lol.

Just tonight we have teams losing by 6 and 7 goals and not to wagons the Vegas has been at home thus far.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Omg not this again.

You realize Stone is the reason they are doing so well. If he’s out of the lineup they are screwed.

Just like they were screwed the past two years? Stone has helped but saying he is the reason alone they are doing so well is laughable. If he is out of the lineup they will be just fine and even better when they add again at the deadline for another run.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Just like they were screwed the past two years? Stone has helped but saying he is the reason alone they are doing so well is laughable. If he is out of the lineup they will be just fine and even better when they add again at the deadline for another run.

He leads the league in points.

Did you watch the game? He has a huge impact on the game so no they won’t be just fine.

[Tsawwassen]

Post game links
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...9-4397a7f75038
https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/calgar...boxscore-41687
https://www.espn.com/nhl/game/_/game...golden-knights
https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401687746
https://fieldlevelmedia.com/news/adi...-blank-flames/