Mark Stone returns to Practice

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Parallex

How do you calculate the cap in the post-season? Team can take on 5M-6M without corresponding salary matching because they can basically bank space earlier in the season... but if the season is over then how do you calculate the cap?... do you base it off full season salary? If you do then that 5M-6M player you got at the deadline can't play because they could only get him at the deadline because his hit cap hit for them was only like 1.25M-1.5M.

Just don't let guys on LTIR play (In whole or in part) in the post-season. It closes the loophole and keeps everything else working as intended.

Simple: make it the same as of the last day of the regular season.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This punishes individuals.

You get injured. You work hard to get healthy. But you're not allowed to play in the playoffs because some fans want to institute arbitrary rules.

I suppose yes, but the idea I think is if they are ready to play clear them and add them to the roster on game 82- even if they still sit and watch and recover for another day, they are on the roster- only reason its not happening is because the team in question knows they have no budget room for them

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by saillias

He's had recurring back problems for years. It's not like that's uncommon, those of us over 30 with desk jobs should be familiar.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1778934737395966132

It's amazing that people don't seem to understand this... it isn't that he is faking injury and waits until the playoffs to declare he's fine, it's that he is seriously injured but wants to play in the playoffs anyway.

When players on other teams do this, some fans call it cheating. When players on our team do it, fans call it heroic.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's amazing that people don't seem to understand this... it isn't that he is faking injury and waits until the playoffs to declare he's fine, it's that he is seriously injured but wants to play in the playoffs anyway.

When players on other teams do this, some fans call it cheating. When players on our team do it, fans call it heroic.

its both

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I don't see how the NHL can penalize teams retroactively with a cap recapture penalty as it went against the spirit of the salary cap, yet this seemingly obvious attempt to circumvent the salary cap for the playoffs is okay. I am not saying that Mark Stone isn't injured but the fortuitous nature of the consistent injuries allowing him to be back for the playoffs makes it seem suspicious.

And if it is heroic or not is beside the point. If they were cap compliant in the playoffs I would agree... but this just reeks when it happens every year. Find an NHL veteran who doesn't have chronic health problems that could put them on to LTIR.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I don't see how the NHL can penalize teams retroactively with a cap recapture penalty as it went against the spirit of the salary cap, yet this seemingly obvious attempt to circumvent the salary cap for the playoffs is okay. I am not saying that Mark Stone isn't injured but the fortuitous nature of the consistent injuries allowing him to be back for the playoffs makes it seem suspicious.

And if it is heroic or not is beside the point. If they were cap compliant in the playoffs I would agree... but this just reeks when it happens every year. Find an NHL veteran who doesn't have chronic health problems that could put them on to LTIR.

But that's the point - players don't put themselves on LTIR because they - wait for it - want to play. It's literally what they do. The only reason Stone does this is because he can't play. If he played through the season, he would be in traction by April.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

So he can't play one week ago... But is good to go next week. For the second (or is it the third) year in a row? I don't mind maintenance days/games but I have a hard time believing that he is able to go now.

The golden knights have a good team with or without him but this makes a good team a potentially great one.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I don't see how the NHL can penalize teams a team retroactively with a cap recapture penalty as it went against the spirit of the salary cap, yet this seemingly obvious attempt to circumvent the salary cap for the playoffs is okay. I am not saying that Mark Stone isn't injured but the fortuitous nature of the consistent injuries allowing him to be back for the playoffs makes it seem suspicious.

And if it is heroic or not is beside the point. If they were cap compliant in the playoffs I would agree... but this just reeks when it happens every year. Find an NHL veteran who doesn't have chronic health problems that could put them on to LTIR.

fyp

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I don't see how the NHL can penalize teams retroactively with a cap recapture penalty as it went against the spirit of the salary cap, yet this seemingly obvious attempt to circumvent the salary cap for the playoffs is okay.

The cap recapture penalty was negotiated between the NHL and the PA and is written into the current CBA.

Any remedy for this type of circumvention will have to be negotiated, and then written into the next CBA.

The league can't change this unilaterally.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

So he can't play one week ago... But is good to go next week. For the second (or is it the third) year in a row? I don't mind maintenance days/games but I have a hard time believing that he is able to go now.

The golden knights have a good team with or without him but this makes a good team a potentially great one.

This sounds like the lamentations of a fan whose team will probably be facing VGS in round one

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's amazing that people don't seem to understand this... it isn't that he is faking injury and waits until the playoffs to declare he's fine, it's that he is seriously injured but wants to play in the playoffs anyway.

When players on other teams do this, some fans call it cheating. When players on our team do it, fans call it heroic.

Who is saying he's faking anything? He's not faking. Everybody knows he's hurt for real.

The cheating part is them bringing in other star players to fill his vacant cap space while he's deciding to sit out because he's hurting, and then being allowed to come back after the season is over because at that point there is no cap anymore.

Sucks to be him but if he can't "tolerate it" during the regular season then he shouldn't be allowed to play in the playoffs either, unless the team is still uder the cap. Hopefully the league finds a way to fix this.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Peter Forsberg played the third period of a Game 7 with a ruptured spleen. He then missed the rest of the playoffs and the entire following regular season before coming back for the playoffs (there was no cap back then).

Stone's been out since February, which was right around the same time trade talk started ramping up ahead of the deadline, and is now on his way back for the playoffs two months later (after doing the same thing last season and the season before (so they could get Eichel, but the missed the playoffs)).

So you’re making a comparison between similar injuries that happened almost a 1/4 of a century apart? I’m sure medical science hasn’t changed at all in that time frame.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Boreal

So you’re making a comparison between similar injuries that happened almost a 1/4 of a century apart? I’m sure medical science hasn’t changed at all in that time frame.

And an uncommonly bad case at that.

Carey Wilson had to have his spleen removed after being injured in the Battle of Alberta in 1986. He was actually skating with the Flames again before the playoffs ended, and did not miss a single game the following season.

Note to those who think Stone is somehow cheating: Although Wilson was able to practise with the team during the '86 Stanley Cup finals, he was not cleared for contact, and admitted that he was in no physical condition to play:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...rticle1338136/

I saw a report a couple of days ago that Stone, although cleared to skate in a non-contact jersey, is not expected to be medically cleared to play until the second round of the playoffs. If true, this makes nonsense out of all the ‘magic return on day 1 of the playoffs’ stuff.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

And an uncommonly bad case at that.

Carey Wilson had to have his spleen removed after being injured in the Battle of Alberta in 1986. He was actually skating with the Flames again before the playoffs ended, and did not miss a single game the following season.

Note to those who think Stone is somehow cheating: Although Wilson was able to practise with the team during the '86 Stanley Cup finals, he was not cleared for contact, and admitted that he was in no physical condition to play:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...rticle1338136/

I saw a report a couple of days ago that Stone, although cleared to skate in a non-contact jersey, is not expected to be medically cleared to play until the second round of the playoffs. If true, this makes nonsense out of all the ‘magic return on day 1 of the playoffs’ stuff.

I guess we will have to wait and see when he comes back.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This sounds like the lamentations of a fan whose team will probably be facing VGS in round one

I really didn't like it when Tampa did it either so I'm consistent.

The Canucks will more than likely be facing the Predators in the first round. The Knights will have to run the table to catch up and I don't see the Canucks passing the Stars.

That said I have no idea how the brackets work anymore with the wildcards.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just saw that every team in the west outside of Nashville is using LTIR. Vegas is just aggressive and knows how to utilize it better.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Just saw that every team in the west outside of Nashville is using LTIR. Vegas is just aggressive and knows how to utilize it better.

Using LTIR isn't the problem. Using LTIR to stack up your team for the playoffs is. But that's on the NHL for overlooking how teams could abuse it when they made the rule.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Parallex

How do you calculate the cap in the post-season? Team can take on 5M-6M without corresponding salary matching because they can basically bank space earlier in the season... but if the season is over then how do you calculate the cap?... do you base it off full season salary? If you do then that 5M-6M player you got at the deadline can't play because they could only get him at the deadline because his hit cap hit for them was only like 1.25M-1.5M.

Just don't let guys on LTIR play (In whole or in part) in the post-season. It closes the loophole and keeps everything else working as intended.

It's really not that hard, if a team wants to carry players $20m over the cap so be it, but don't allow them to actually ice a team in any game over the cap.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I guess we will have to wait and see when he comes back.

Username checks out

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It's really not that hard, if a team wants to carry players $20m over the cap so be it, but don't allow them to actually ice a team in any game over the cap.

That would pretty much kill most trades at the deadline.