Is your wife, girlfriend or partner ALWAYS exhausted???

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

The answer for that is find a stay at home partner. If you look at male execs many of their partners are in low demand/stress jobs or not in the workforce managing the home.

Well, people don't become execs until their 40s or 50s so how do you know if you'll become one. And say you and your husband have fairly equal job but then the wife becomes manager/exec. Does the husband suddenly back off? Does he no longer go for any promotions?

And I don't even view it as marrying down but how many low demand job guys or stay at home dads so you know? And is that still frowned upon in the facebook/instagram world of people's greatest hits that we've been talking about in this thread?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by you&me

You're overthinking it... It took me about 30 seconds and maybe a dozen mouse clicks to see the total & daily post counts for you and 4-5 other profiles (on the page; I said "page")... You, at ~13 per day stood out, as the next highest was ~8 per day and the others were closer to half that rate / a quarter of your rate.

No offense intended.

(damnit, with this I might be at risk of cresting the 1.0 post per day threshold)

None taken!

I'm just disappointed that the thoughts being made were seemingly overlooked.

Was hoping to engage in further discussion on the detriments of social media engagement and why scaling back is a positive, but somehow that devolved into discourse that's kind of besides the point.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There aren’t a lot of ambitious women interested in a mate who earns less than half of what they earn. Women in general rarely marry down.

Most males want a mate with equal or lower income and most females tend to mate equal or above.

I know a couple stay at home dads who seem to be happy (from what you can tell) but statistics say they're not the norm.
Divorce rates are higher amongst marriages with stay at home dads vs the opposite.

[The Fisher Account]

I always thought my Grandmother was so chill and never complained about anything.

At her funeral, one of her daughters let it slip that she'd been hooked on prescription drugs (mother's little helper) her entire adult life.

So there ya go.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

None taken!

I'm just disappointed that the thoughts being made were seemingly overlooked.

Was hoping to engage in further discussion on the detriments of social media engagement and why scaling back is a positive, but somehow that devolved into discourse that's kind of besides the point.

Your post 100% is spot on. Social media and a lot of the online life that is so common these days is a cancer. It's doing so much harm in so many ways people haven't even processed it.

I personally don't have any of the large social media platforms. I do post a little here on CP and read a bit but that's it

I don't like the way things are trending with people and with society and it's getting worse!

[DoubleF]

I feel like very soon we will seen new types of living arrangements and relationships pop up to address these scenarios. Like dorm style living arrangements in a house for single parent families that keep living costs lower, but also offers flexible services such as child care, household management and financial literacy/life skills. Mainly this would be the single parents that aren't able to secure high paying roles and mainly minimum wages or multiple part time role working arrangement.

Then whether or not in the future certain households will evolve. "Seeking roommate with or without kids. Must help take care of our children and help manage our household during our working schedule. We will pay you small rate per month and provide food, room & board and shared access to a vehicle." Kinda like a nanny/au pair scenario but slightly different.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I feel like very soon we will seen new types of living arrangements and relationships pop up to address these scenarios. Like dorm style living arrangements in a house for single parent families that keep living costs lower, but also offers flexible services such as child care, household management and financial literacy/life skills. Mainly this would be the single parents that aren't able to secure high paying roles and mainly minimum wages or multiple part time role working arrangement.

Then whether or not in the future certain households will evolve. "Seeking roommate with or without kids. Must help take care of our children and help manage our household during our working schedule. We will pay you small rate per month and provide food, room & board and shared access to a vehicle." Kinda like a nanny/au pair scenario but slightly different.

You're describing a lot of arrangements happening in immigrant communities already. That's how they get ahead. Renting out basements, unlicensed childcare, cash under the table jobs etc...

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I feel like very soon we will seen new types of living arrangements and relationships pop up to address these scenarios. Like dorm style living arrangements in a house for single parent families that keep living costs lower, but also offers flexible services such as child care, household management and financial literacy/life skills. Mainly this would be the single parents that aren't able to secure high paying roles and mainly minimum wages or multiple part time role working arrangement.

Then whether or not in the future certain households will evolve. "Seeking roommate with or without kids. Must help take care of our children and help manage our household during our working schedule. We will pay you small rate per month and provide food, room & board and shared access to a vehicle." Kinda like a nanny/au pair scenario but slightly different.

Polygamists might be on to something.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by opendoor

So do older people though. For 25+ year olds the average actual hours worked has dropped from 39.3 in 1980 to 37.5 now. Even as recent as 2000, the average was 39.4 hours. And the same holds true for 45+ year olds, so it's not youth underemployment driving that.

The number of people officially working 40-45 hour work weeks might be lower now than 30-40 years ago, but Stats Can doesn't indicate if their figures include unpaid overtime. It feels like the current generation of salaried white-collar workers (especially in more business-oriented cities like Toronto or Calgary) are working more unpaid overtime than ever in attempts to climb the corporate ladder.

At least in Alberta, the general work environment also seems to be more exhausting than prior decades with the constant threat of layoffs (e.g. oil patch) and increasing use of contract and "limited-term" employees in all sectors. Plus the pressure of having a work cell and constant connectedness that employees didn't really have even just 20 years ago.

My wife is constantly exhausted and we split the domestic duties, but I get it. The effort of working full-time, raising a kid, trying to find time for yourself, etc. all adds up fast for everyone.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Well, people don't become execs until their 40s or 50s so how do you know if you'll become one. And say you and your husband have fairly equal job but then the wife becomes manager/exec. Does the husband suddenly back off? Does he no longer go for any promotions?

And I don't even view it as marrying down but how many low demand job guys or stay at home dads so you know? And is that still frowned upon in the facebook/instagram world of people's greatest hits that we've been talking about in this thread?

Get into the trades. That’s where it’s at right now. Honestly, a young person getting into the trades right now will make 100 grand a year within a few years after achieving their red seal if they apply them self.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by boogerz

The number of people officially working 40-45 hour work weeks might be lower now than 30-40 years ago, but Stats Can doesn't indicate if their figures include unpaid overtime. It feels like the current generation of salaried white-collar workers (especially in more business-oriented cities like Toronto or Calgary) are working more unpaid overtime than ever in attempts to climb the corporate ladder.

At least in Alberta, the general work environment also seems to be more exhausting than prior decades with the constant threat of layoffs (e.g. oil patch) and increasing use of contract and "limited-term" employees in all sectors. Plus the pressure of having a work cell and constant connectedness that employees didn't really have even just 20 years ago.

My wife is constantly exhausted and we split the domestic duties, but I get it. The effort of working full-time, raising a kid, trying to find time for yourself, etc. all adds up fast for everyone.

People in the corporate world get a lot more time off than they used to. In my dad’s generation they got 2 weeks vacation a year. And if you were ambitious, you didn’t take it all. No flex days. Taking days off for sickness marked you out as a shirker.

At the last couple places I’ve been at I’ve gotten 20 vacation days and 5 personal days, or 15 vacation days and 10 personal days. And earned days off to compensate when you work more than 40 hours a week.

I really don’t think many people in the workforce today would want to go back to the expectations of 30 years ago.

[Mightyfire89]

My wife is a machine. Always tired, never stops working. It’s really something to observe. I have nowhere near that kind of work ethic. For some inexplicable reason, we’re still together after 28 years.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Get into the trades. That’s where it’s at right now. Honestly, a young person getting into the trades right now will make 100 grand a year within a few years after achieving their red seal if they apply them self.

I agree. However, it's very hard work. These days parents are more involved in their child's schooling, from day 1 and dont want their child going through any hardships. Private school, tutors etc... with the social image we've been talking about in this thread, your child being in trades would be a setback. Think they're going to post on Facebook, in their social circle they have built up over years, their daughter wearing overalls and a hard hat?

Women in trades is not pushed or celebrated like women in stem. Women college graduates is a key stat. The blue collar world is just foreign to people, like far away on another planet.

Experiment: All of you with exhausted wives with young daughters, ask her if your daughter getting into trades is an option? See what answer you get.

[Galakanokis]

Indeed she is. But she also works 14 to 18 hours a day on average.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I agree. However, it's very hard work. These days parents are more involved in their child's schooling, from day 1 and dont want their child going through any hardships. Private school, tutors etc... with the social image we've been talking about in this thread, your child being in trades would be a setback. Think they're going to post on Facebook, in their social circle they have built up over years, their daughter wearing overalls and a hard hat?

Women in trades is not pushed or celebrated like women in stem. Women college graduates is a key stat. The blue collar world is just foreign to people, like far away on another planet.

Experiment: All of you with exhausted wives with young daughters, ask her if your daughter getting into trades is an option? See what answer you get.

Oh, I get it. A lot of university educated people look down upon the trades and pass that onto their offspring.
The notion that a female working in the trades, making six figures plus benefits, company vehicle, and RRSP matching all the while being physically fit is somehow a setback is hilarious.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Oh, I get it. A lot of university educated people look down upon the trades and pass that onto their offspring.
The notion that a female working in the trades, making six figures plus benefits, company vehicle, and RRSP matching all the while being physically fit is somehow a setback is hilarious.

I am complete agreement with you in regards to the trades. That 100% is where it's at now and it will only accelerate in a lot of ways with this AI nonsense that is coming down the pipeline and will attack A LOT of white collar office jobs.

I come from an immigrant background myself and I know the pressure to do well and move more into "status" jobs. For a lot of immigrant families who worked hard doing the manual labour style work, they REALLY want their children to well and get higher social status jobs like medicine, law, finance, politics etc It's like in the movie, the Godfather. Don Vito Corleone didn't want his prized son Michael to take over the family business, he wanted him to become Senator or Governor. What was logical? Take over the family business!

I see this conundrum more and more now with my social circle, a lot of immigrant families and the general population. Mom and dad are in (insert manual labour business) like restaurants, tile, plumbing, farming, factory work etc. There is no transition plan and a big emphasis on education and getting office level work . The children graduate with BS degrees in some fields and then proceed to get some whatever level office job making $80k a year. All while this is happening, Mama and Papa Bear are looking to retire after 30 years and sell off the business that could be generating over a million a year in revenue, plus tax benefits.


I don't have children myself but if I did and they were approaching university age. I would 100% push them towards the trades or something VERY specific like medicine, engineering, law. When they finish school, they need to have specific skills and not random degrees.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am complete agreement with you in regards to the trades. That 100% is where it's at now and it will only accelerate in a lot of ways with this AI nonsense that is coming down the pipeline and will attack A LOT of white collar office jobs.

I come from an immigrant background myself and I know the pressure to do well and move more into "status" jobs. For a lot of immigrant families who worked hard doing the manual labour style work, they REALLY want their children to well and get higher social status jobs like medicine, law, finance, politics etc It's like in the movie, the Godfather. Don Vito Corleone didn't want his prized son Michael to take over the family business, he wanted him to become Senator or Governor. What was logical? Take over the family business!

I see this conundrum more and more now with my social circle, a lot of immigrant families and the general population. Mom and dad are in (insert manual labour business) like restaurants, tile, plumbing, farming, factory work etc. There is no transition plan and a big emphasis on education and getting office level work . The children graduate with BS degrees in some fields and then proceed to get some whatever level office job making $80k a year. All while this is happening, Mama and Papa Bear are looking to retire after 30 years and sell off the business that could be generating over a million a year in revenue, plus tax benefits.


I don't have children myself but if I did and they were approaching university age. I would 100% push them towards the trades or something VERY specific like medicine, engineering, law. When they finish school, they need to have specific skills and not random degrees.

I honestly think that people who are university educated or are not in the trades, think that you’re doing backbreaking labour for your entire life. It’s simply not true. If you apply yourself, and by apply yourself, I mean show up on time, and do your job with a positive attitude, you will advance. I am a tradesperson. Yesterday we went for tacos At native tongues in Britannia, and finished the day off, playing Street hockey in the shop. And got paid for it.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

I honestly think that people who are university educated or are not in the trades, think that you’re doing backbreaking labour for your entire life. It’s simply not true. If you apply yourself, and by apply yourself, I mean show up on time, and do your job with a positive attitude, you will advance. I am a tradesperson. Yesterday we went for tacos At native tongues in Britannia, and finished the day off, playing Street hockey in the shop. And got paid for it.

Fully agree! If your savvy on the business front, being in the trades is the way to go. Being your own boss is even better! For a lot of people, they struggle with the business aspect but if you can nail that, that is the way to go.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Fully agree! If your savvy on the business front, being in the trades is the way to go. Being your own boss is even better! For a lot of people, they struggle with the business aspect but if you can nail that, that is the way to go.

You don’t even have to own your own business to be successful in the trades. My nephew who is 26 is a plumber and makes easily 100G a year working a few hours overtime. He’s taking his girlfriend to Australia for three weeks next month. He is also a homeowner who sinks way too much money in a hobby truck. He has a great life, it just seems bizarre to me that anyone would look down upon something like that.

[Jason14h]

South Park into the Panderverse literally made an entire special about the trades vs White Collar Jobs. Every needs to watch it.