[PGT] Dec 11, 2023 - Flames lose: Avs 6 - Flames 5

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trade Lindholm, get a late first-round pick.

Trade Hanifin, get a mid first-round pick.

Enter the draft with picks ~5, 15, and 25.

Draft Cayden Lindstrom, Carter Yakemchuk, and Tij Iginla.

Check back next week for another edition of "How to rebuild the Flames in three years"

It's almost like it's just that easy.

I do wish this team would hit the easy button instead of the just get in button for a change.

Hopefully they're left without a shadow of a doubt by the time the TDL rolls around.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

That game was the NHL version of an exciting college basketball game: it’s close because teams make obvious fundamental mistakes.

But I enjoyed it. It’s where this team is right now and at least they’re scrapping.

[FanIn80]

I'm glad that Millen drew attention to Lindholm's play on the draws tonight. That's the kind of stuff that he brings every night, but it doesn't show up in a stat anywhere so people never talk about it.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Huberdeau is a team-worst -13

And has the exact same stat line as notable Canucks "4th line winger" Andrei Kuzmenko:

Originally Posted by MrMike

Everyone just actively avoided the actual trade rumours to discuss and decided they’d rather continue arguing with each other about who is right.

What do you think Kuzmenko is worth? Third and a 5th?

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I dunno, random arguing about nothing is at least as interesting as what Vancouver’s 4th line winger is worth.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Yeah, and he did all that on the second line. You know what the second line is? Middle six. It's also the line that doesn't play against the other teams' top defenders.

Top six guys have the ability to put up points regardless of who they play against. A top six player is someone who plays on the second line only because there isn't room for them on the top line. They can move between the first and second lines at any point in any game without missing a beat. Forsberg playing behind Sakic, Fedorov playing behind Yzerman, Malkin playing behind Crosby.

Huberdeau was never a top six guy. In fact, I remember the hype when he was drafted and a couple seasons later he was looking like a bust (very similar to Lafreniere in NY).

Middle six players are either offensively gifted, but are easily shutdown or defensively gifted and used in shutdown roles.

Huberdeau had the perfect setting in Florida. They had a massively elite player in Barkov that took a lot of defensive focus away from the second line, but they also had a some other offensive talent on the second line, in guys like Bennett, that Huberdeau could play with. Not to mention Bennett is an absolute puck hound, which meshes well with a perimeter player like Huberdeau. His two best seasons were on Bennett's wing.

The really not-awesome part about everything, is that we don't just need a Bennett (we actually have a smarter Bennett in Coleman, anyway), but we also need an ACTUAL $10M player that requires enough defensive focus that there's nothing left to put on Huberdeau.

Nope.

Your post is BS that is being intentionally misleading. He was never middle 6. He was either on a 1A / 1B type of scenario, or at the very worst top 6 if you want to call it that.

Here is where he finished in 5v5 TOI on the Panthers each of his last 5 seasons there:

21-22: 2nd
20-21: 3rd
19-20: 1st
18-19: 2nd
17-18: 3rd

He was 7th in the NHL in points over those 5 seasons, he was 15th in the 3 seasons before Bennett even got traded there (17-20).

He was always top 3 in ice time, and generally took the other teams best defensive forwards while Barkov was matched against the other teams top offensive forwards. But prior to that they had been on the same line.

Tkachuk doesn't play with Barkov either...is he a middle 6 forward?

Just a ridiculous statement and post. Calling a guy who was consistently top 10 in NHL scoring a middle 6 forward, just hilarious.

He's been terrible in Calgary, and is the worst contract in the NHL, but no reason to go back and just make stuff up about his time in Florida.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trade Lindholm, get a late first-round pick.

Trade Hanifin, get a mid first-round pick.

Enter the draft with picks ~5, 15, and 25.

Draft Cayden Lindstrom, Carter Yakemchuk, and Tij Iginla.

Check back next week for another edition of "How to rebuild the Flames in three years"

I'm in.

It's tricky getting a mid first round pick, it requires the team trading for him to be no better than average.

[Mass_nerder]

Man Georgiev is not a good goalie.
If the Avs want to win another cup, they need an upgrade.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm in.

It's tricky getting a mid first round pick, it requires the team trading for him to be no better than average.

Yeah ideally you get it from AZ or something. Ottawa gave up 12th overall in a very good draft for Chychrun ...

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Man Georgiev is not a good goalie.
If the Avs want to win another cup, they need an upgrade.

If they paid the assets (and cap dump) to get Markstrom and Kadri, they'd have a good shot at going all the way again I think.

Both would be big upgrades at those respective positions.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

______________history of the
Worst contract in the ^ league.

I never thought the David Clarkson contract could be outdone, but Huberdeau’s might honest to God be even worse.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

______________history of the
Worst contract in the ^ league.

There's no way it's worse the DiPietro, but it's probably in the bottom 5, unless he turns it around at some point.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trade Lindholm, get a late first-round pick.

Trade Hanifin, get a mid first-round pick.

Enter the draft with picks ~5, 15, and 25.

Draft Cayden Lindstrom, Carter Yakemchuk, and Tij Iginla.

Check back next week for another edition of "How to rebuild the Flames in three years"

This is amateur armchair GMing.

Trade Lindholm and Hanifin to teams that miss the playoffs for 1st round picks with no trade protection.

Finish 32nd. Win the lottery on the other two picks.

Draft 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yeah ideally you get it from AZ or something. Ottawa gave up 12th overall in a very good draft for Chychrun ...

In any case, it would be nice to see multiple firsts for two years in a row. Where they are is a little outside of your control, but imagine having 5 first rounders in next 2 years. It took seven years to get the last 5. Throw in 3 or 4 2nd rounders and pray for rain.

[Burning Beard]

Selling off Dmen and this is going to happen more and more. Once Hanifin and Tanev are gone the losses will pile up.

On another note, it's almost unbelievable that Huberdeau had been played with basically every currently available Flames forward and still hasn't really clicked with any of them. How does that happen?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

In any case, it would be nice to see multiple firsts for two years in a row. Where they are is a little outside of your control, but imagine having 5 first rounders in next 2 years. It took seven years to get the last 5. Throw in 3 or 4 2nd rounders and pray for rain.

If they did that I'm willing to bet the core would be reloaded in 3 years, with Zary and Wolf factoring into that. They'd have to be pretty unlucky not to snag proper talent in 5 attempts in the first round with our scouting staff.

It's really not a long time to bite the bullet and they have the trade chips at their feet to do it as we speak (hopefully Tanev isn't long term).

[NewFan]

Happy for Zary. He really gives me hope that we have at least 3 top 2 line players in Zary, Coronato and Pelletier.
And Pospisil, Klapka are for sure bottom 2 line players.
And we have Wolf.
So we really need elite C and top pair D and top 4 big D to build a core.

Hopefully we will get a good D prospect and a good top 6 F prospect and 4 first round pick for the next 2 draft by trading out top UFAs.
Especially I hope we draft top 3 next draft.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He's where he finished in 5v5 TOI on the Panthers each of his last 5 seasons there:

21-22: 2nd
20-21: 3rd
19-20: 1st
18-19: 2nd
17-18: 3rd

Not sure where you got your numbers from, but he was 7th in 5v5 TOI/GP in 21-22. It doesn't really matter though, since ice time isn't always a reliable metric for measuring deployment. Everyone knows Tkachuk played on the second line last season, yet he still led all forwards there in 5v5 TOI/GP.

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?re...=0&pageSize=50

[NewFan]

At this point I wish we could play Klapka or Coronato instead of Huberdeau. I would give up Ruzicka or Dube if some other team take Huberdeau with half of his salary.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by NewFan

At this point I wish we could play Klapka or Coronato instead of Huberdeau. I would give up Ruzicka or Dube if some other team take Huberdeau with half of his salary.

Lol if that's what it took, I'd give up both in a heartbeat.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It's almost like it's just that easy.

I do wish this team would hit the easy button instead of the just get in button for a change.

Hopefully they're left without a shadow of a doubt by the time the TDL rolls around.

Think you’re going to get that come the new year.