[Rumour] Francis: All contract talks on hold for Flames

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't think people should get too hung up on retool vs rebuild - it's literally the first step in a new direction and no one knows where it will end up. The fact that they are making this assessment shows that they are more open to flexibility and change than they have been in the past.

Let's see how it plays out.

I think we have to view this as good news, as re-signing players would show an escalation of commitment to a faulty plan.

So that's good.

The question is what is meant by re-tool.
- Do they just not want to stubbornly call it a re-build, because they said they would not do that, even though they are now recognizing they need to do that
- Are they going to try and find player for player hockey trades to change the chemistry. Good luck with that in this capped out environment.
- Or are they going to acquire futures and then leverage those futures to re-tool in the summer by using that capital to acquire more players (basically repeating the mistake of what they did with the Florida first).

We don't know. So we can only react to what this means. And on the surface it's a good thing.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

"radical new approach"

"significant re-tooling"

That sounds like a rebuild to me where they just don't want to call it that. Seems like a positive for people who were wanting them to do just that (myself included) but if you need them to state in clear black and white that they are rebuilding you might be waiting forever.

Exactly. This is what everyone calls their rebuild today as it sounds like it will take less to no time.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wonder if Lindholm is going to regret not taking the 8 year deal for absurd money.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

What if its young players like Lundell out of Florida?

You sure you want to trade with Florida again?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think we have to view this as good news, as re-signing players would show an escalation of commitment to a faulty plan.

So that's good.

The question is what is meant by re-tool.
- Do they just not want to stubbornly call it a re-build, because they said they would not do that, even though they are now recognizing they need to do that
- Are they going to try and find player for player hockey trades to change the chemistry. Good luck with that in this capped out environment.
- Or are they going to acquire futures and then leverage those futures to re-tool in the summer by using that capital to acquire more players (basically repeating the mistake of what they did with the Florida first).

We don't know. So we can only react to what this means. And on the surface it's a good thing.

We knew this ages ago though.

We knew this from watching this team on TV. How does management, who is around them everyday not figure this out before us?

[Robbob]

Re-tool will lead to a rebuild if it doesn't work. At the end of the day if Conroy can get value back for the expiring contracts, even if it is getting a player under a shorter contract plus some futures (prospects or picks). At least kicking the can down the road puts them in a position where the cap is actually going up, so less teams are in cap jail.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You sure you want to trade with Florida again?

lol fair, just an example of a young roster player with pedigree

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Exactly. This is what everyone calls their rebuild today as it sounds like it will take less to no time.

It’s also avoiding the perception of a rebuild, which as much as die hard fans want to pretend it won’t, would absolutely make attendance suffer even worse than it already is.

If you proceed down the same path, calling it a rebuild says “hey, we’re bad and going to lean into being bad, this won’t be worth watching for a little bit” to casual fans, while a re-tool suggests they could remain competitive.

The end result is the same, but the suffering at the door is at least partially mitigated.

[Ferarri]

Step in the right direction. I'll take this as a positive as we've all been wanting the team to make moves that signify the beginning of the end for this group. The Kadri and Huberdeau situation complicate a full re-build but it's nice to hear that there is some common sense in the management group. Its time.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You sure you want to trade with Florida again?

probably make both teams worse again

miracle run based on historic goaltending aside

122-92 points
1st overall to 17th

those in glass houses

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

The right call, but the process is a bit scary if you ask me.

5 game losing streak, let's scrap the plan to sign these guys for 8 years. Will it swing back the other direction if we go on a 5 game heater?

Disinterested play and looking like they have #### in their pants is beyond just losing 5 in a row.

[Bunk]

"retooling" is short for "trying to take shortcuts to competitiveness". Same exact mentality that got us into this mess. This news is bleak.

They never learn.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Re-tool will lead to a rebuild if it doesn't work. At the end of the day if Conroy can get value back for the expiring contracts, even if it is getting a player under a shorter contract plus some futures (prospects or picks). At least kicking the can down the road puts them in a position where the cap is actually going up, so less teams are in cap jail.

Ugh...the problem really is that this roster is an absolute goddamned hot mess.

Even if they decide to re-tool/re-build/re-idiot this team is boned for quite some time.

Its too damned late to realize that they suck now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We’ll re-tool around Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, and Andersson - and if everything goes exactly perfect, the Flames will be able to establish themselves as a bubble team - which is apparently all they want to be.

JC, give it a rest. Teams need vets, and to reach the floor, even with a tear-it-down rebuild.

How about discussing what is actually taking place here, instead of yelling 'we need a full rebuild' with every single post you make, in every single thread?

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Significant re tool of what.

There’s nothing here.

I just mean "significant re-tool" is the closest we will get to seeing them utter the word "rebuild".

If they have the balls to trade Lindholm and Hanifin for 1st's+ at the deadline and we can go into the 24 Draft this summer with 3 1st rounders for example.. that would be my best case scenario with the cards we've been dealt.

I have a hard time trusting our pro scouts to identify gem's on other teams that we should trade these players for, I'd rather take high picks back in exchange.

[dustygoon]

I think this is a good decision.

But it shows how dumb long term contracts are for the most part when a team is potentially changing its mind on an 8 year, 656 game contract based on how well the overall team has done over the last few games.

[dino7c]

All his favourite rebuilding teams have or had bad contracts too and were initially trying to win

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Locke

We knew this ages ago though.

We knew this from watching this team on TV. How does management, who is around them everyday not figure this out before us?

Well my view is that's not management. That's the owner.
The owner has to sign-off on a re-build.

[Jiri Hrdina]

We need to coin a new phrase.
How about we brand this thing a "re-engineering" or a "re-factoring"?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

Ugh...the problem really is that this roster is an absolute goddamned hot mess.

Even if they decide to re-tool/re-build/re-idiot this team is boned for quite some time.

Its too damned late to realize that they suck now.

So fold the team? What is the point of #### like this?