Interestingly, Matt Damon made some very good points on this topic during his visit on Hot Ones, eerily similar to the above. I had never thought of it that way. Hopefully, the release to streaming service matures to a point where it can recapture this dynamic and film makers can thrive. I loved Oppenheimer, but then I also wondered whether it was because it was THAT good or because there's been virtually nothing of interest to watch in the theatre for so long... and average is the new amazing.
Kiefer Sutherland said something similar in an interview I saw, and also added that all the mid-budget dramas and whatnot have basically shifted from the big screen to TV as a result. So while I agree that overall movies seem to be rather meh overall lately, in the last two decades the quality of tv has gone through the roof
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There's plenty. From complete green screen vistas of Gotham to helicopter crashes to all of the Two-Face shots to adding water effects around the ferries.
CGI is good when you don't really notice it as CGI and is mixed with good practical effects, and that's where good movies succeed. But to suggest there was almost no CGI is ridiculous.
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Kiefer Sutherland said something similar in an interview I saw, and also added that all the mid-budget dramas and whatnot have basically shifted from the big screen to TV as a result. So while I agree that overall movies seem to be rather meh overall lately, in the last two decades the quality of tv has gone through the roof
Just to continue adding on, James Gunn also was saying something similar when he talks about getting the Guardians job. He was ready to quit directing features because the mid budget was being pushed out of studios. His bread and butter, the 40 mil budget drama was gone and moving to TV, so just before getting GoTG he had told his agent he was shifting his focus to TV and video games. Then he got the blockbuster job and his career skyrocketed from there, but his point about TV taking over that niche was bang on.
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I love New Order, but they are basically took principles of punk rock music and made them electronic. They do the equivalent of playing power cords. There's a talent to making something catchy. However, I wouldn't describe what they do as displaying musical proficiency. Anyone could play their songs after only a few months of practicing. Whereas true mastery of any musical instrument takes decades.
Probably already said but I think it comes down to the improvement of TV quality.
More money, more talent, adaptations of good source material are going to quality TV.
Maybe 20 years ago, Game of Thrones would have been the best trilogy of films ever made; but now days TV is getting a lot of the book adaptations etc.
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Probably already said but I think it comes down to the improvement of TV quality.
More money, more talent, adaptations of good source material are going to quality TV.
Maybe 20 years ago, Game of Thrones would have been the best trilogy of films ever made; but now days TV is getting a lot of the book adaptations etc.
20 years ago you'd back Game Of Thrones over Lord Of The Rings?
How we consume media over the last 20-25 years plays a part, I reckon. No matter how good your home theatre setup is, it pales in comparison to a theatre. It's just not as immersive, a home audience probably isn't as focused, and it's just not as memorable of experience.
When DVD came out it was a massive jump in quality from VHS, and I think there was a bit of a shift in the consumer mindset toward the consumption of media. Plus TVs were getting bigger and better, then blu-ray and streaming and pirating and 4K all came along.
20 years ago you'd back Game Of Thrones over Lord Of The Rings?
What do you mean?
The point was that now days LOTR would likely just be made into a TV series (like the one on Amazon) and we wouldn't have gotten that masterpiece.
This is contributing the "end of great films" as per the thread title.
So GOT got adapted to TV instead of how LOTR was adapted to Film.
I actually agree a whole lot with the OP about the quality of movies these days, but not sure its because of technology and techniques.
Seems like mainstream movies are either cut and paste marvel movies, or movies trying to hit you over the head with very obvious social commentary de jour, but come across as puddles that are an inch deep and a mile wide. There's no real complex human story telling anymore, and that's what people connect with. TV has done a way better job of that in the last 10-15 years.
When Scorsese made those comments a few years back about Marvel movies being like an amusement park ride, not a film -- he was bang on. But then hordes of online nerds started freaking out like Ironman is the most depth character they've ever connected with in a story. For whatever reason, it seems like mainstream movie watchers have no desire for much else nowadays.
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How we consume media over the last 20-25 years plays a part, I reckon. No matter how good your home theatre setup is, it pales in comparison to a theatre. It's just not as immersive, a home audience probably isn't as focused, and it's just not as memorable of experience.
I don’t know about that. True it’s very hard / expensive to get the same sound experience, but a good Dolby Atmos setup and big screen/projector can give a good movie experience. Plex let’s you include some new trailers before your feature starts as well as a random Dolby intro. Just need some sounds of a D-bag crinkling a Twizzler bag and I’m almost in the theatre.
The marvel movies took up so much budget and good actors that there does seem to be a gap in movies during their tenure. But recent results seem to show the super hero genre is played out /over and I think we’ll start getting more “original” content and chances being taken going forward . There are also a lot of really good movies that people just don’t discover - I would argue there are more good (not epic/great) movies then in any point in history .
The iconic movie does seem to be missing - although I think the Marvel movies are this generations iconic movie .
And Batman Begins is a better move then The Dark Knight !
I rewatched Braveheart. Now that I'm not teen who gets riled up by all the violence, the movie is trash. It's non-sensical.
The movie starts out with a middle aged Mel Gibson playing a romantic lead to a far younger lady played by an actress in her early 20s, and it's revenge porn from that point on. It's basically just Mel Gibson stroking his ego for hours. It's also horribly homophobic and misogynistic. All of the villains are mustache twirling caricatures of bad people and Gibson, despite being constantly unnecessarily violent, is depicted as always righteous.
It's a dumb movie.
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When I look at it, the death of the movie store and the advent of streaming hasn't massively effected the blockbuster or the event movie. It's the mid budget movie that died. The movie that had to rely on a good script and take chances with the idea that it could pull in 10 or 15 million in profit and make everyone happy.
In terms of movie quality dwindling, that's entirely on the corporate scum running the studios. Studios like A24 stand out because they are old school. The major players now demand cookie cutter dreg because they are risk adverse and filmmaking stupid.
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I rewatched Braveheart. Now that I'm not teen who gets riled up by all the violence, the movie is trash. It's non-sensical.
The movie starts out with a middle aged Mel Gibson playing a romantic lead to a far younger lady played by an actress in her early 20s, and it's revenge porn from that point on. It's basically just Mel Gibson stroking his ego for hours. It's also horribly homophobic and misogynistic. All of the villains are mustache twirling caricatures of bad people and Gibson, despite being constantly unnecessarily violent, is depicted as always righteous.
It's a dumb movie.
To each their own I guess, but calling an epic movie that won 30 awards worldwide including an oscar for best picture dumb trash seems well, a little dumb!, as is calling a film set in the 13th century horribly homophobic and misogynistic. This is like calling just about every western movie from the 60's-70's nothing but racist trash, I guess even a classic like Gone With The Wind is racist/sexist junk as well.
And unless things have changed, Mel Gibson was 38 years old when he made that film, hardly middle aged which historically starts at 45. I would bet 99% of people didn't even notice a difference in age.
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I've crapped on Braveheart plenty but will still defend it as a fun movie. Say what you want about Mel Gibson (and I have), but the son of a bitch knows how to tell a story. I enjoy most of his movies, they're not great, but they're fun
Yeah, I just don't really care about musical proficiency on its own; it's a means to an end. There are lots of very talented guitar players playing terrible music at jam nights in local pubs or in cover bands, but that doesn't mean I want to listen to them. And the most successful musicians I know who have made a living for 15-20 years strictly off their music aren't the most skilled musicians I know.
It's funny you mention this, as I just watched the Tom Delonge Fender interview for his new signature guitar series. He really hammered home why Blink 182 connected in this monumental way that many in the music industry couldn't understand based on the simplicity of their music.
- Our music is like nursery rhymes on meth, and everyone likes nursery rhymes because you can whistle it and play it with two fingers on piano.
- Attributing his success as an artist to giving himself the tools he needed to get his art across rather than going hard and trying to be amazing at one instrument like most people do.
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A lot of people grow up saying I want to be amazing at guitar or I wanna be the best singer. I went "maybe I can be decent at both because I just wanted to write my own songs. That's all I cared about
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I think what a lot artists forget is that half of the art is being accessable to people that notice it.
I do find myself listening to the music behind the lyrics when I turn on the radio. I ask myself if there is a hook here, is there something capable of standing on its own. Most top40 songs, no.
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