[News] UPD: Zadina on unconditional waivers for mutual contract termination

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think it's assumed he already knows what's in store for him.

Yeah, a guy doesn't terminate sure money unless he is pretty certain where he's going and for how much.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Normally I wouldn't think about a player who may have been a bust, but the fact he is foregoing all that money to find a place to play and prove himself shows me he is motivated and probably has more to show.

I would try to sign him, but as always he would want to come here.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, a guy doesn't terminate sure money unless he is pretty certain where he's going and for how much.

It seems quite possible that when the Wings made him available, that another team may have approached them and said they want him, but not his contract, and that message was passed on to Zadina and his agent.

I hope the Flames give him a chance. I wouldn't be shocked if it's the Oilers (Holland connection) or the Coyotes.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Normally I wouldn't think about a player who may have been a bust, but the fact he is foregoing all that money to find a place to play and prove himself shows me he is motivated and probably has more to show.

I would try to sign him, but as always he would want to come here.

Unless he has a KHL deal worth five billion rubles.

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

I’m kind of surprised this doesn’t happen more often. I get a player wanting to keep the money they signed for, but if the situation goes sour, or the contract makes you hated by fans, why not terminate, and find a new team that appreciates you. Granted not all players can afford a gamble like that. But say a guy like (cough) Huberdeau realized his contract could make him hated and make his situation and life terrible, then why not restructure or renegotiate like Turek did back in the day. Maybe it isn’t allowed? But if you’re wealthy already, why not create a situation where everyone is happy?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

I’m kind of surprised this doesn’t happen more often. I get a player wanting to keep the money they signed for, but if the situation goes sour, or the contract makes you hated by fans, why not terminate, and find a new team that appreciates you. Granted not all players can afford a gamble like that. But say a guy like (cough) Huberdeau realized his contract could make him hated and make his situation and life terrible, then why not restructure or renegotiate like Turek did back in the day. Maybe it isn’t allowed? But if you’re wealthy already, why not create a situation where everyone is happy?

The CBA doesn't allow player contracts to be restructured or renegotiated since 2005.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The CBA doesn't allow player contracts to be restructured or renegotiated since 2005.

But they do allow for mutual contract termination. Could Zadina sign with the wings after he mutually agrees to terminate his contract with the wings?

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

I don't know the answer to that, but in what situation would he do that

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

But they do allow for mutual contract termination. Could Zadina sign with the wings after he mutually agrees to terminate his contract with the wings?

There isn't anything explicitly that forbids it in the CBA. It would likely be brought in front of the arbitrator, because it violates the explicit no renegotiating rule in the CBA in spirit.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

But they do allow for mutual contract termination. Could Zadina sign with the wings after he mutually agrees to terminate his contract with the wings?

I think you have to serve the Oilers for league min after a contract termination.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

But they do allow for mutual contract termination. Could Zadina sign with the wings after he mutually agrees to terminate his contract with the wings?

Yes.

[Roof-Daddy]

Have any really good young players managed to slip through Yzermans fingers?

My bet is this kid just doesn't have it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Have any really good young players managed to slip through Yzermans fingers?

My bet is this kid just doesn't have it.

Yzerman is falling into the category of most other GM's he doesn't seem to be great as everyone says he is.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yzerman is falling into the category of most other GM's he doesn't seem to be great as everyone says he is.

Uh, ok??

That doesn't even come close to answering the question you quoted.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Get Jiri Hudler on the phone with him and convince him Calgary is a great place for a young Czech man to play

Didn't Huds get thrown in the clink for pissing in the aisle of an airplane? LOL.

Him accepting his Byng award in his socks is starting to make more sense now. He's a party animal.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

There isn't anything explicitly that forbids it in the CBA. It would likely be brought in front of the arbitrator, because it violates the explicit no renegotiating rule in the CBA in spirit.

Did the Flames need special permission when they bought out Michael Stone, then resigned him a few weeks later?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yzerman is falling into the category of most other GM's he doesn't seem to be great as everyone says he is.

Lots of building a contender is just luck.

They get Stamkos and Hedman with early picks before Yzerman was even there.

Then get Kucherov in the 2nd in 2011 and Point in the 3rd in 2014 (with their 4th pick).

Vasilevskiy with pick 19 was great but really the rest of the 1st's in Yzerman's tenure weren't that great, especially the top 10 picks.

2010: Brett Connolly - 6th
2011: Namestnikov - 27th
2012: Koekkoek - 10th
2012: Vasilevskiy - 19th
2013: Drouin - 3rd (Bailed out by Montreal)
2014: Tony DeAngelo - 19th
2016: Brett Howden - 27th
2017: Cal Foote - 14th

Finding guys like Palat, Cirelli, Kucherov, and Point after round 1 was great, but also sometimes it's a bit lucky because if you knew they were as good as they ended up being you're not waiting until the 3rd round to take them.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lots of building a contender is just luck.

They get Stamkos and Hedman with early picks before Yzerman was even there.

Then get Kucherov in the 2nd in 2011 and Point in the 3rd in 2014 (with their 4th pick).

Vasilevskiy with pick 19 was great but really the rest of the 1st's in Yzerman's tenure weren't that great, especially the top 10 picks.

2010: Brett Connolly - 6th --> Katchouk = part of Hagel trade
2011: Namestnikov - 27th = part of McDonagh/Miller trade
2012: Koekkoek - 10th = most of Jan Rutta trade
2012: Vasilevskiy - 19th
2013: Drouin - 3rd (Bailed out by Montreal) = Sergachev
2014: Tony DeAngelo - 19th --> Hajek = part of McDonagh/Miller trade
2016: Brett Howden - 27th = part of McDonagh/Miller trade
2017: Cal Foote - 14th = part of Tanner Jeannot trade

Finding guys like Palat, Cirelli, Kucherov, and Point after round 1 was great, but also sometimes it's a bit lucky because if you knew they were as good as they ended up being you're not waiting until the 3rd round to take them.

OTOH that is 8/8 in getting NHL players (though Foote tbd). And then turning them into important assets (albeit many moves after Yzerman's term).

How many teams hit [don't really miss] 8 straight times int he 1st round?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

OTOH that is 8/8 in getting NHL players (though Foote tbd). And then turning them into important assets (albeit many moves after Yzerman's term).

How many teams hit [don't really miss] 8 straight times int he 1st round?

This was a good call out.

But it's a very strategtic item that I think some teams aren't doing which is don't overvalue your own prospects and if you can use them to get a player that's already a proven NHLer you are probably in good shape.

Keep the high upside prospects...move those that maybe still have trade value but aren't going to be impact NHLers.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

But similar to Bennett in that pucks just don't seem to want to go in the net when he's on the ice. Which was similar to Bennett here.

Bennett is a good comparable. You look at how Vancouver suffered when Juloevi didn't turn out to be a player.

Missing on these high 1st round picks is a major setback for the team that is really hard to recover from.