Riots in France

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

France is a colonial power. Canada isn’t. That’s all I’m arguing here.

What the British colonizers did to the indigenous of North America is terrible. What the newly established Canada did to the indigenous of North America is terrible.

To say Canada is a colonizer is not correct.

Well even assuming you lend credence to the sophists argument that somehow Canada wasn't responsible for anything even though Canada was a democratic self ruling entity from 1848 upon the recommendation of the Durham report, it colonized Rupert's Land, the Prairies and the N W and BC in 1870, after confederation, the whole of western Canada even by your weird limited view, is a colony of the self ruling Province of Canada that sent it's own troops, the NW mounted Police in to control the regions, supress rebelion and apply Canadian law, it had sod all to do with the British after 1848

[activeStick]

French ministers are blaming users for inciting violence on social media platforms and Macron is considering cutting off social media during the ongoing protests. Do as I say, not as I do...

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Isn’t Canada what it is today because it was colonized and the precursor to the country and its foundation was built upon subjugation and taking foreign lands? You said Canada did not do this but I argue the country would be a country without doing exactly that.

France is in this issue because of its culture and segregation within its borders. The more I see these issues the more I lean to the melting pot method that the US employed. All cultures should come together and continue to build off one another and create mixed culture and backgrounds rather than promoting segregation. Not that the US is without its issues but I argue that is more due to racial ones than cultural ones.

The whole US melting pot vs Canadian tapestry was always the most righteous bunch of BS. There are plenty of thriving immigrant communities in the USA that retain their culture. Go to any big US city to see it.

Canada also has the same integration issues that the USA has, with various groups being excluded either culturally or economically.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Well even assuming you lend credence to the sophists argument that somehow Canada wasn't responsible for anything even though Canada was a democratic self ruling entity from 1848 upon the recommendation of the Durham report, it colonized Rupert's Land, the Prairies and the N W and BC in 1870, after confederation, the whole of western Canada even by your weird limited view, is a colony of the self ruling Province of Canada that sent it's own troops, the NW mounted Police in to control the regions, supress rebelion and apply Canadian law, it had sod all to do with the British after 1848

Are you being obtuse on purpose? I literally said in the preceding post what Canada did to the Indigenous groups was terrible.

I'm done arguing if Canada is a colonial power (we aren't). This thread is about France and France being a traditional colonial power that maintained territories overseas (and still does). Those occupied and subjugated peoples have been immigrated to the home country (France) and have not integrated into French society.

These riots are a direct result of policy by generations of French governments.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by blankall

Canada also has the same integration issues that the USA has, with various groups being excluded either culturally or economically.

Canada has far worse integration issues. Quebec exists and is totally unintegrated with the rest of the country culturally. They have laws in place to bulwark that cultural difference.

The only equivalency would be if the US made Puerto Rico a state. Even then I am not sure that puerto rico would institute language protection laws or things like that.

Both statements are base propaganda. The US has never been a melting pot, it's always been a conform or go live over there and try not to be seen by the rest of us. Canada has always been more of an attempt at a melting pot (let's blend all of our cultures into a new messy non-culture!) without any serious force behind it (EXCEPTING THE OBVIOUS CULTURAL GENOCIDE PERPETRATED LARGELY THROUGH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES).

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Canada has far worse integration issues. Quebec exists and is totally unintegrated with the rest of the country culturally. They have laws in place to bulwark that cultural difference.

The only equivalency would be if the US made Puerto Rico a state. Even then I am not sure that puerto rico would institute language protection laws or things like that.

Both statements are base propaganda. The US has never been a melting pot, it's always been a conform or go live over there and try not to be seen by the rest of us. Canada has always been more of an attempt at a melting pot (let's blend all of our cultures into a new messy non-culture!) without any serious force behind it (EXCEPTING THE OBVIOUS CULTURAL GENOCIDE PERPETRATED LARGELY THROUGH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES).

Canada/Quebec integration issues are relatively understandable. You are trying to combine English and French into one country. England and France were at war for basically their entire existence from like 1200-1800. Without those Quebec laws - they likely would have separated from Canada by now.

The US might have this type of issue as Hispanic population grows in certain states (think New Mexico is close to majority Hispanic and California/Texas aren't too far behind).

[Matata]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Canada/Quebec integration issues are relatively understandable. You are trying to combine English and French into one country. England and France were at war for basically their entire existence from like 1200-1800. Without those Quebec laws - they likely would have separated from Canada by now.

The US might have this type of issue as Hispanic population grows in certain states (think New Mexico is close to majority Hispanic and California/Texas aren't too far behind).

Both California and Texas are majority Latino, Texas changed majority very recently and California has a fair bit more latinos than whites, maybe the california exodus has been mostly white people leaving?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Matata

Both California and Texas are majority Latino, Texas changed majority very recently and California has a fair bit more latinos than whites, maybe the california exodus has been mostly white people leaving?

California exodus is basically everyone but Asians leaving:

From 2016 to 2020, 7.3 more whites left the state than arrived for every 1,000 white Californians, compared to 6.5 for African Americans. Latinos left at about half that rate—3.6 per 1,000—while Asian Americans had a net flow into the state of 1.5 per 1,000.

https://www.ppic.org/blog/racial-eth...ng-california/

White and Black people are leaving at the highest rates though. People of lower income are leaving at a higher rate than higher income earnings. The state overall is getting more Latino and more Asian, but Latinos are leaving at a higher rate than coming in.

I'm also assuming there will be issues with birthrates their too.

https://www.marchofdimes.org/perista...&obj=1&sreg=06

You've got a slight decline in white births recently, but it's only slight:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr..._of_California

Hispanic birthrate in the USA (and in Mexico and Latin America and the Carribean for that matter) are now below the replacement level of 2.1, but remain higher than other races.

[MoneyGuy]

That must anger MAGAs.

[activeStick]

A 28 year old Muslim male was apparently shot in the chest by police for filming them and the impact stopped his heart, killing him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1676592840552349699

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Are you being obtuse on purpose? I literally said in the preceding post what Canada did to the Indigenous groups was terrible.

I'm done arguing if Canada is a colonial power (we aren't). This thread is about France and France being a traditional colonial power that maintained territories overseas (and still does). Those occupied and subjugated peoples have been immigrated to the home country (France) and have not integrated into French society.

These riots are a direct result of policy by generations of French governments.

well I will continue to be obtuse in the colonial province of British Columbia, I live in a colony of Canada, taken by force in the late 19th century

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by activeStick

A 28 year old Muslim male was apparently shot in the chest by police for filming them and the impact stopped his heart, killing him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1676592840552349699

The news report here does not actually accuse the police, is there another one that links it firmly to the police having killed him?

This is a cup of gas for the fire.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The news report here does not actually accuse the police, is there another one that links it firmly to the police having killed him?

This is a cup of gas for the fire.

Given they found an LBD impact on his chest (projectiles used by riot police) and it was confirmed he died of a heart attack, I just made the assumption. I guess he could have also at the same time or general time, had a heart attack that was not a result of the projectile hitting him in the chest.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Given they found an LBD impact on his chest (projectiles used by riot police) and it was confirmed he died of a heart attack, I just made the assumption. I guess he could have also at the same time or general time, had a heart attack that was not a result of the projectile hitting him in the chest.

Just felt it was odd that you made that statement with the clip attached, given the lady says multiple times during the clip that no conclusion has been reached and that it still needs to be ascertained why he was shot at.

[activeStick]

What do you think is the most likely cause of his heart attack given what we know? Do you think he happened to have a cardiac arrest at the same moment? Or that maybe someone stole a police firearm and then shot him with it? Maybe he was high on drugs?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by activeStick

What do you think is the most likely cause of his heart attack given what we know? Do you think he happened to have a cardiac arrest at the same moment? Or that maybe someone stole a police firearm and then shot him with it? Maybe he was high on drugs?

Well...the news lady said he was delivering Uber Eats...so my question is...what warranted hitting him with the bean-bag or rubber-projectile at all?

What was the instigating factor? By all information and outward appearances he seemed to just be minding his own business and doing his job.

Why target him at all?

Some might say..."well he was Muslim!"

Yeah, well, thats not a reason.

He may well have been of Arabic descent, not all Arabs are Muslims, but even so, he's riding a scooter (clearly mentioned several times in the newscast) so I presume he'd have been wearing a helmet and I think its dubious at best. I couldnt spot a Muslim at 50 yards through a riot helmet and his bike helmet. Thats preposterous.

And the other thing...I know these weapons are classified as 'Non-Lethal' but even we plebian non-law-enforcement people know thats BS.

They are normally non-lethal, but theres always a chance.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well...the news lady said he was delivering Uber Eats...so my question is...what warranted hitting him with the bean-bag or rubber-projectile at all?

What was the instigating factor? By all information and outward appearances he seemed to just be minding his own business and doing his job.

Why target him at all?

Some might say..."well he was Muslim!"

Yeah, well, thats not a reason.

He may well have been of Arabic descent, not all Arabs are Muslims, but even so, he's riding a scooter (clearly mentioned several times in the newscast) so I presume he'd have been wearing a helmet and I think its dubious at best. I couldnt spot a Muslim at 50 yards through a riot helmet and his bike helmet. Thats preposterous.

And the other thing...I know these weapons are classified as 'Non-Lethal' but even we plebian non-law-enforcement people know thats BS.

They are normally non-lethal, but theres always a chance.

Non Lethal weapons can kill pretty easily.



Shoot a guy in the head with a non lethal bullet and he dies, or shoot him center chest.


Tasers kill.

[chemgear]

Here we go again?

[Johnny Makarov]

holy crap. i thought Yoho was back....

[FlamesAddiction]

Ah zut!