There has been talk of it stuck on the Titanic or something, but that doesn't really fit the facts, since they lost contact before they made it. I guess there is a possibility it continued to descend and eventually get caught up, but that would mean the pilot didn't drop the ballast when coms were lost, and carried on as normal. Which doesn't make sense, because they needed coms to find the Titanic.
So I think that leaves a few possibilities. Least likely, think, is sitting in tact at the bottom. Surfacing is second least, given it hasn't been found on the surface yet. So that leaves catastrophic failure as the most likely.
Hamish Harding mentioned it was rough waters for awhile before they got the OK. Could the sub have been unnoticeably damaged? Perhaps repeated trips have weakened the pressure vessle. It also departed at 4am, which leaves room for human error to have played a part. But I think all of this ignores the most likely explanation, that they were the first to encounter The Krakken.
It depends on what kind of fails safes are built in. If it’s like Cameron’s Subs and you had a power failure and a mechanical failure so the ballast couldn’t release then it would sit on the bottom of the ocean until the corrosion fail safe dropped the ballast. If it has that feature it could rescue itself at least to surface.
The crushed is the other option and with this being Carbon fiber based you could have catastrophic failure without warning compared to metals which usually give you indications they are failing.
I disagree with Krakkan though. The evidence clearly supports the an unknown intelligent earth based sea civilization responsible for the UAPs destroying the sub.
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This makes me think about the terror submariners must have felt when their vessels are damaged in battle and sink to the bottom. You have to sit there waiting to die, unless they put their pistols to use.
It depends on what kind of fails safes are built in. If it’s like Cameron’s Subs and you had a power failure and a mechanical failure so the ballast couldn’t release then it would sit on the bottom of the ocean until the corrosion fail safe dropped the ballast. If it has that feature it could rescue itself at least to surface.
The crushed is the other option and with this being Carbon fiber based you could have catastrophic failure without warning compared to metals which usually give you indications they are failing.
I disagree with Krakkan though. The evidence clearly supports the an unknown intelligent earth based sea civilization responsible for the UAPs destroying the sub.
This then assumes at least 2 failures. Communications, and ability to dump ballast. Beyond that, it aparantly had 7 failsafes to resurface.
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Given that, I presume the only force capable of that is, in fact, The Krakken. It's also destroyed your super advanced civilization long before it could develop.
That the boat suffered a failure before it reached the Titanic, this explains the loss of communication fairly early on. If there was a leak, no matter how much ballast is released, if the crew quarter fills with water, its still going to be negative buoyant. Also if the salt water attacked the electronics there could be a fire.
That the boat got to the bottom and it got stuck in titanic wreckage. Which means that releasing ballast might not free it.
That there are lots of fishing boats that drag and release their heavy weighted nets. The sub could get caught on the netting and other debris on the bottom.
That the boat has actually surfaced and they can't find it. I find that fairly unlikely at this point.
The problem with sonar searches is if the boat is among the wreckage its going to be extremely difficult to find it. Even when I think about it this is a extremely difficult search. If the motors have stopped and the crew isn't hammering on the hall, its unlikely that sonar will find it.
I was watching the conference and they were saying first we have to find it, and then we can figure out a rescue. With a handful of air left, since they've been down there since Sunday. (48 hours?) gone, a successful rescue is looking to be unlikely.
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There has been talk of it stuck on the Titanic or something, but that doesn't really fit the facts, since they lost contact before they made it. I guess there is a possibility it continued to descend and eventually get caught up, but that would mean the pilot didn't drop the ballast when coms were lost, and carried on as normal. Which doesn't make sense, because they needed coms to find the Titanic.
So I think that leaves a few possibilities. Least likely, think, is sitting in tact at the bottom. Surfacing is second least, given it hasn't been found on the surface yet. So that leaves catastrophic failure as the most likely.
Hamish Harding mentioned it was rough waters for awhile before they got the OK. Could the sub have been unnoticeably damaged? Perhaps repeated trips have weakened the pressure vessle. It also departed at 4am, which leaves room for human error to have played a part. But I think all of this ignores the most likely explanation, that they were the first to encounter The Krakken.
In the past, they bailed on descents at 37 feet when there was the slightest problem. The pings stopped when they were only part way down. If it was a power or comm failure, they would have deployed the floatation mechanisms that apparently don't need power to operate. Unless there was failure of the floatation mechanisms. We have no idea how often they actually test them or do drills to make sure they will work when needed. To me, it seems like a failure of the floatation mechanisms is more likely that accidentally damaging a titanium cylinder. To do that, I think it would take a lot of force and wouldn't go unnoticed I think, I could be wrong though. It just seems like damage of a mechanism would be an easier thing to miss.
I had another horrifying thought last night going to bed though. What if it lost power part way down, then sank to the bottom and landed on uneven surface so the whole thing was sitting upright. The ocean surface is supposedly pretty hummocky and full of crevasses. It would be cramped enough even if it landed flat, but 5 people all stacked on top of each other for 4 days would suck extra.
I don't know why I think of stuff like that just right before I am about to fall asleep.
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When I read 7 redundant fail safes you can pretty much assume it’s bull####. All that means is there is very low confidence in the failsafes to actually function or that the so called redundant fail safes aren’t actually redundant and instead each function for a variety of failure cases.
Also with the being lost on surface you would think they would bring along a backup SPOT like GPS transmitter in the vessel capable of transmitting location at surface precisely for this situation with an independent power supply. It’s pretty useless to get your sub to surface and then die because people can’t find you.
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This makes me think about the terror submariners must have felt when their vessels are damaged in battle and sink to the bottom. You have to sit there waiting to die, unless they put their pistols to use.
Most submarines do not make it to the bottom unless you are in shallow waters. Crush depth for naval submarines is only a fraction of most deep water ocean depth. You just get imploded once you hit 1,300–2,000 ft (400–610 m). You sit there hearing creaking and warping noises as you see your submarine gauges passing crush depth which comes very quickly and then the implosion happens faster than the human nervous system can register pain.
USS Thresher imploded around 600 meters and the wreckage debris was found strewn out at 2600m.
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The deepest diving military submarine was the bizarre Alfa class submarine which was designed as a high speed deep diving interceptor submarine. It was full automated with a very small crew. Made of Titanium and used and experimental liquid metal cooled reactor.
It could dive to about 1200 feet and had a maximum submerged speed of 41 knots.
In theory the SeaWolf and Virginia class submarines could get to 1600 feet. The LA Class about 1000 feet reliably.
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Now knowing all these sub facts makes it more mind boggling that those tourists would go as deep as they were going in a homemade sub. They really must have wanted that humblebrag.
I have it on good authority that the USS Alabama, an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, survived below 1825 feet after an altercation with an Akula class submarine in the mid-90s.
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I have it on good authority that the USS Alabama, an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, survived below 1825 feet after an altercation with an Akula class submarine in the mid-90s.
I have it on good authority that the USS Alabama, an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, survived below 1825 feet after an altercation with an Akula class submarine in the mid-90s.
I was wondering how deep the Ohio class could go. Definitely they kept the official depth limit off the books.
It depends on what kind of fails safes are built in. If it’s like Cameron’s Subs and you had a power failure and a mechanical failure so the ballast couldn’t release then it would sit on the bottom of the ocean until the corrosion fail safe dropped the ballast. If it has that feature it could rescue itself at least to surface.
The crushed is the other option and with this being Carbon fiber based you could have catastrophic failure without warning compared to metals which usually give you indications they are failing.
I disagree with Krakkan though. The evidence clearly supports the an unknown intelligent earth based sea civilization responsible for the UAPs destroying the sub.
Sounds like the sub would have been too deep at the time of last contact for orcas to be responsible so the Krakkan take over at those depths.
That the boat suffered a failure before it reached the Titanic, this explains the loss of communication fairly early on. If there was a leak, no matter how much ballast is released, if the crew quarter fills with water, its still going to be negative buoyant. Also if the salt water attacked the electronics there could be a fire.
That the boat got to the bottom and it got stuck in titanic wreckage. Which means that releasing ballast might not free it.
That there are lots of fishing boats that drag and release their heavy weighted nets. The sub could get caught on the netting and other debris on the bottom.
That the boat has actually surfaced and they can't find it. I find that fairly unlikely at this point.
The problem with sonar searches is if the boat is among the wreckage its going to be extremely difficult to find it. Even when I think about it this is a extremely difficult search. If the motors have stopped and the crew isn't hammering on the hall, its unlikely that sonar will find it.
I was watching the conference and they were saying first we have to find it, and then we can figure out a rescue. With a handful of air left, since they've been down there since Sunday. (48 hours?) gone, a successful rescue is looking to be unlikely.
I'm going with not a fuucking chance this happened. Ever dropped a loonie into a jar of water to try to win a free sandwich or something? They flap around like crazy. If this thing suffered a failure anywhere but, like, 20m directly above the Titanic then it would have landed 100s or 1000s of meters away from the wreckage. There isn't the accuracy to pinpoint drop anything from the surface straight down to an exact location on the bottom.
One interesting fact is that after all these years, apparently the pool on the Titanic is still full of water. Kinda trippy to think about.
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I'm going with not a fuucking chance this happened. Ever dropped a loonie into a jar of water to try to win a free sandwich or something? They flap around like crazy. If this thing suffered a failure anywhere but, like, 20m directly above the Titanic then it would have landed 100s or 1000s of meters away from the wreckage. There isn't the accuracy to pinpoint drop anything from the surface straight down to an exact location on the bottom.
One interesting fact is that after all these years, apparently the pool on the Titanic is still full of water. Kinda trippy to think about.
I suspect that's true of most things on the Titanic.
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Most likely a rogue megalodon. They claim there's no evidence for their continued existence but this seems pretty conclusive.
There are any number of documented civilizations living underwater. Seems pretty clear one of them has enslaved the submarine occupants in preparation of conquering us land dwellers.
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