The Legendary Horn-y Matthew Tkachuk

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

From the Flames point of view he was a really skilled guy that hadn't elevated his game in the playoffs so while it's easy to criticize Treliving in hindsight, at the time he was another underachieving Flame in the playoffs.

I think that the much younger player (between Tkachuk and Huberdeau) had a much better chance to learn to elevate his play in the playoffs. Tkachuk may have actually done it last year if he hadn't gotten injured.

[Lanny_McDonald]

All it takes for people to realize what a doof Treliving is a strong playoff performance by Tkachuk? You should have listened as he made mistake after mistake that set the death spiral in motion. Conroy understands what happened and when it happened. His presser comments about not letting players go for nothing says it all. Treliving had support from the hardcore glass is always full types and they gaslit the board with excuses for irrationally stupid moves. Can’t do that when the chickens are coming home to roost and the new guy is throwing shade about those past decisions. What took everyone so long to understand the downfall of the team when you could see it happening in real time? I feel for Conroy who has to clean up the mess left behind by a truly incompetent manager.

[Kidder]

Ultimately he treated this organization the right way. He was clear about his intentions and by doing so allowed us to get a juicy return that we all lauded at the time, and might still prove fruitful.

I was not ready to back up the Brinks truck for him long term after his lacklustre effort and questionable antics early in his bridge deal. I would have pegged him as a guy who takes his payday and relaxes his game, ala James Neal or Rene Bourque.

So props to him for elevating his game after he got money and destination of choice. Since I was a doubter myself, I can’t really hold ill will.

Good on ya Chucky, you are playing some really inspired hockey and maturing your game.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

All it takes for people to realize what a doof Treliving is a strong playoff performance by Tkachuk? You should have listened as he made mistake after mistake that set the death spiral in motion. Conroy understands what happened and when it happened. His presser comments about not letting players go for nothing says it all. Treliving had support from the hardcore glass is always full types and they gaslit the board with excuses for irrationally stupid moves. Can’t do that when the chickens are coming home to roost and the new guy is throwing shade about those past decisions. What took everyone so long to understand the downfall of the team when you could see it happening in real time? I feel for Conroy who has to clean up the mess left behind by a truly incompetent manager.

What Conroy said in his presser was that he too was entirely sure that Gaudreau was going to re-sign to the last minute...and when the word came that he wasn't, CC went to his office and closed the door, sat alone, and wondered what just happened.

Meaning he was in lock step with BT on the situation all along. They were deceived.

Now, did he learn from that? Absolutely. He said as much. I would wager anything that BT did too. Anyone in that situation would.

But dont spin it like he would have done anything different at the time. He was the main contact with Johnny Walker and totally misread things as well.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Letting Gaudreau get into the final year of that contract without the extension was the mistake. Conroy admitted that in his comments. If this was knowledge gained from this event, then that is fine. But Treliving, an “experienced and top GM in the game” should have understood this. Sadly he made the same mistake multiple times before so he really wasn’t a student of his own mistakes. Defend the stupidity all you want, but it was predicted and came to fruition, much to the detriment of the hockey club.

[dustygoon]

If I’m Huberdeau I’m hurt and mad. This will motivate him.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Kidder

Ultimately he treated this organization the right way. He was clear about his intentions and by doing so allowed us to get a juicy return that we all lauded at the time, and might still prove fruitful.

I was not ready to back up the Brinks truck for him long term after his lacklustre effort and questionable antics early in his bridge deal. I would have pegged him as a guy who takes his payday and relaxes his game, ala James Neal or Rene Bourque.

So props to him for elevating his game after he got money and destination of choice. Since I was a doubter myself, I can’t really hold ill will.

Good on ya Chucky, you are playing some really inspired hockey and maturing your game.

Dude got over 100 pt as a 24 yrs old. That’s lackluster?

As for antics, maybe they should have supported him. It’s working fine in Florida

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Interesting stat: Wayne Gretzky has 4 overtime playoff goals in 38 overtime playoff appearances. Matthew Tkachuk has 3 in only 11.


Edit for source: https://records.nhl.com/records/play...career-playoff

Yesterday's goal was basically an OT winner. 4 seconds left in regulation.

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Dude got over 100 pt as a 24 yrs old. That’s lackluster?

As for antics, maybe they should have supported him. It’s working fine in Florida

Early in his bridge deal.

You are referencing his contract year. Which is exactly what had me skeptical. He was great that season, but would it carry over?

And then I gave him kudos. Cause he signed the big money set-for-life contact and has since elevated his game.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

If I’m Huberdeau I’m hurt and mad. This will motivate him.

I'm hurt and mad. BT kinda ####ed the team over before he left.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Dude got over 100 pt as a 24 yrs old. That’s lackluster?

As for antics, maybe they should have supported him. It’s working fine in Florida

Those kind of antics is what wins in the playoffs.

Ask TB, Toronto and Carolina who (besides Bobo) beat them.

It's the play of Bennett and Tkachuk, and it's not just the goal scoring.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Brad’s a legendary idiot letting a talent like this walk to free agency.

Don't forget the legendary idiots in here after the Muzzin incident. Saying he lost it and that his extracurricular activities would affect his play.

He just owned Kassian the season before. You don't just lose it unless you have a piece of crap captain like Gio who wouldn't go to bat for you. pathetic.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Kidder

Early in his bridge deal.

You are referencing his contract year. Which is exactly what had me skeptical. He was great that season, but would it carry over?

And then I gave him kudos. Cause he signed the big money set-for-life contact and has since elevated his game.

Just like Bennett he was misused. How much scoring can you do with Backlund who is basically a 2nd/3rd line center and some fill in scrubs

I would say he already elevated his game here in Calgary and it wasn’t his contract year. He had one more year to go

[Winsor_Pilates]

I'm very happy the Oilers are out but part of me wants to know if Tkachuk could continue this level of play against them considering how much he struggled to last year in that series.

In an alternate simulation, that final would be a blast to watch.

[CroFlames]

TBH I miss seeing fat Tkachuk regularly.

[woob]

Tkachuk is laser focused this year and is fully commited. I think it was game 3 in the Carolina series, there was a clip of his doing a full on sliding dive to take away a pass that likely would have ended up in the back of their net, and that just shows me how driven he is on this run. It's been super fun watching him and Bennett. Wish nothing but success for both of them.

[ricardodw]

What was it that made Tkachuk reject Calgary?

Gaudreau, it would appear, was over Canada and the draconian covid rules that made his family life miserable. You wonder if the Flames execs and ownership group had as much trouble getting over the border as his wife and Mother-in-law.


Tkachuk's mom is from Winnipeg. She went bad to Winnipeg when the Atlanta wives and families relocated to help them adjust. His Dad was a pure mercenary... playing wherever would pay him the most.

Why did he want out of Calgary? Was it just the loss of Johnny Hockey?

Tkachuk at 24 8x9.5 >>>>>>>>>> Kadri 31 7x7 and that is just based on their play up to the time that they were signed.


Also how the the Flames mess up Bennett? Conroy was around when Bennett was stunted in Calgary to the point where they gave away. Did the Flames have any Bennett champions in their ranks?

[Manhattanboy]

This is why in part I am sour on Conroy. Surely he was at the table as part of the "process" that resulted in all the bad decisions.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

This is why in part I am sour on Conroy. Surely he was at the table as part of the "process" that resulted in all the bad decisions.

I don't think there was a table.
Didn't Conroy say that it wasn't a collaborative process with Treliving?
Just Treliving alone in his office?

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I would say he already elevated his game here in Calgary and it wasn’t his contract year. He had one more year to go

He was an RFA last offseason. He had cleverly structured his deal so his qualifying over would be over 9 mil and he was only one year away from UFA status.

He could have signed the one year qualifying offer and then walked to free agency this summer. Really had the Flames over the barrel, especially considering what they were going through with Gaudreau leaving.

So he deserves some props for making his intentions clear and returning us a nice package.