Huberdeau's agent: "Negativity sucks the joy right out of players"

[Igottago]

I said in a post a couple months ago I thought Sutter mishandled Huberdeau from the beginning. You had a guy come to the organization full of enthusiasm to be here and Sutter had all his weird media comments and seemed to be giving him a rough ride on arrival. I think he set the wrong tone from the outset, and it reflects in exactly the situation we are seeing today. I am a huge Sutter fan but can't figure out what his strategy was with this player.

In any case it doesn't seem like they can co-exist.

[Aarongavey]

Sutter’s record since coming back to the Flames in seasons where the Flames top two players were not playing for a contract and likely trying to get as far away from Sutter as possible is 40-34-11 (.535). His record including that glorious season is 90-55-22 (.604). By the end of this season that .604 will definitely be below .600.

Geoff Ward was .568
Bill Peters was .613

Sutter’s ability to win is marginally better than Ward and marginally worse than Peters. He may not be the coaching savant we need.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

I hope this can be the low point of the season, maybe a rallying cry for change. But I’ve been saying it all season, something is off about this group of players and we have no identity.

Every time I think this might be the bottom, we manage to sink lower. I personally didn't see anything from the team in the last period, or in the post game interviews, that suggests the team is about to come together and turn the season around.
Hopefully I'm wrong though!

[Manhattanboy]

Everything started to unravel with the Markstrom gaffe against EDM and then Sutter making the weird comments about Huberdeau in the presser after the game.

No reason to think things are suddenly going to turn around now.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I chuckled at this.



Also your join date and a picture of Cal from Undergrads trips me out. I’ve got to ask…are you young and also like Undergrads? Has Undergrads found a following with the youngins?

I'm old and watched it when I was in high school 40

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[ComixZone]

If the Flames really do want to salvage this season by way of coaching change, I’d be into “Bruce there it is”.

At least that guy is fun to cheer for. Flames hockey this season has been agonizing to watch. Boring, loss-filled, brutal hockey. I’d sign up for whatever the opposite of what we’ve had is.

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I'm old and watched it when I was in high school 40

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This makes more sense! Although I was hopeful that Nitz, Cal, and the Douglar had found a new audience!

[traptor]

Originally Posted by keenan87

After listening to Chris Tanev's post game interview - this team is cooked. Morale has got to be close to 0.

Also shows in the game - does anyone recall seeing the Flames have any fun on the bench this season?? No joking around, purple Gatorade.. they just seem depressed.

Yup. No fun. Seems like a pretty toxic environment right now and it feels like that attitude is one established by sutter. Hard to get buy-in from guys when everyone hates to show up.

I've had managers and jobs like that. It's not fun and things don't usually run smoothly.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If the Flames really do want to salvage this season by way of coaching change, I’d be into “Bruce there it is”.

At least that guy is fun to cheer for. Flames hockey this season has been agonizing to watch. Boring, loss-filled, brutal hockey. I’d sign up for whatever the opposite of what we’ve had is.



This makes more sense! Although I was hopeful that Nitz, Cal, and the Douglar had found a new audience!

Brings me back. Maybe it will find a new audience. I think it's starting to

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[Tbull8]

And people were questioning my comment on hearing that players were tired of sutter…

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I don't even care for the saga of drama sure to come

Just sort it the #### out and start making some meaningful decisions that help this team going forward

Start trading or start firing

And can they send Pelletier down so we can enjoy the Wranglers at least? No need to entangle him in this losing culture

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

And people were questioning my comment on hearing that players were tired of sutter…

Let’s say they make a coaching change and bring in a guy like Bruce or Trotz and the results are the same, then what? People will call for that coach to be fired and the cycle starts again. Like it or not, ownership won’t want to payout another coach plus bring in a new guy.

Darryl is the reigning coach of the year and didn’t forget how to coach. I think we need to accept the fact that the team just sucks. Probably wouldn’t matter who is behind the bench as I’m sure the results would be similar.

Now, if we are talking about the “negativity” he brings to the room then I guess that’s a fair argument, however, his tactics in the past have won championships. It’s not like Bruce had a ton of success in Vancouver to justify him as a replacement. Maybe the rink would be a happier place but would the points follow?

I’m willing to bet that the media Darryl and coach Darryl are not the same. Is he demanding? Yes. Can he be a dick? Yes. But if people think that a new coach is going to change this group I would strongly disagree. He’s one of the best for a reason and unfortunately the team gambled and lost with its off season adjustments. They overestimated the talent and it definitely isn’t there. The sample size is big enough.

Now if you’re talking full rebuild, then perhaps the conversation changes as to if Darryl is the kind of coach you want for youngsters and AHL graduates. That’s completely fair, but with this veteran team if they can’t handle a tough coach then you know there is significant problems regardless of what some loud mouth agent has to say.

[Sandman]

Last year, we rode the Tkachuk-Lindholm-Gaudreau line all year long. So why in the hell aren't we trying a Huby-Kadri-Lindy line, or a Huby-Lindy-Dube? Huberdeau hasn't exactly been set up for offensive success. Tre's efforts should be focused on getting a top-6 RW.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Last year, we rode the Tkachuk-Lindholm-Gaudreau line all year long. So why in the hell aren't we trying a Huby-Kadri-Lindy line, or a Huby-Lindy-Dube? Huberdeau hasn't exactly been set up for offensive success. Tre's efforts should be focused on getting a top-6 RW.

Maybe, if they showed any promise whatsoever

They haven't. So they get coal

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Let’s say they make a coaching change and bring in a guy like Bruce or Trotz and the results are the same, then what? People will call for that coach to be fired and the cycle starts again. Like it or not, ownership won’t want to payout another coach plus bring in a new guy.

Darryl is the reigning coach of the year and didn’t forget how to coach. I think we need to accept the fact that the team just sucks. Probably wouldn’t matter who is behind the bench as I’m sure the results would be similar.

Now, if we are talking about the “negativity” he brings to the room then I guess that’s a fair argument, however, his tactics in the past have won championships. It’s not like Bruce had a ton of success in Vancouver to justify him as a replacement. Maybe the rink would be a happier place but would the points follow?

I’m willing to bet that the media Darryl and coach Darryl are not the same. Is he demanding? Yes. Can he be a dick? Yes. But if people think that a new coach is going to change this group I would strongly disagree. He’s one of the best for a reason and unfortunately the team gambled and lost with its off season adjustments. They overestimated the talent and it definitely isn’t there. The sample size is big enough.

Now if you’re talking full rebuild, then perhaps the conversation changes as to if Darryl is the kind of coach you want for youngsters and AHL graduates. That’s completely fair, but with this veteran team if they can’t handle a tough coach then you know there is significant problems regardless of what some loud mouth agent has to say.

I wasn’t saying the results will magically be there. I’m just sharing info from people that I know regarding the general vibe around the team. Players don’t want to play for him and have tuned him out at this point. They need a new voice

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Last year, we rode the Tkachuk-Lindholm-Gaudreau line all year long. So why in the hell aren't we trying a Huby-Kadri-Lindy line, or a Huby-Lindy-Dube? Huberdeau hasn't exactly been set up for offensive success. Tre's efforts should be focused on getting a top-6 RW.

Ive wanted Dube with Huberdeau all year and drives me crazy we havent seen it.

Dube is the closest forward to a Bennett/Duclair skill set we have.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Let’s say they make a coaching change and bring in a guy like Bruce or Trotz and the results are the same, then what? People will call for that coach to be fired and the cycle starts again. Like it or not, ownership won’t want to payout another coach plus bring in a new guy.

Darryl is the reigning coach of the year and didn’t forget how to coach. I think we need to accept the fact that the team just sucks. Probably wouldn’t matter who is behind the bench as I’m sure the results would be similar.

Now, if we are talking about the “negativity” he brings to the room then I guess that’s a fair argument, however, his tactics in the past have won championships. It’s not like Bruce had a ton of success in Vancouver to justify him as a replacement. Maybe the rink would be a happier place but would the points follow?

I’m willing to bet that the media Darryl and coach Darryl are not the same. Is he demanding? Yes. Can he be a dick? Yes. But if people think that a new coach is going to change this group I would strongly disagree. He’s one of the best for a reason and unfortunately the team gambled and lost with its off season adjustments. They overestimated the talent and it definitely isn’t there. The sample size is big enough.

Now if you’re talking full rebuild, then perhaps the conversation changes as to if Darryl is the kind of coach you want for youngsters and AHL graduates. That’s completely fair, but with this veteran team if they can’t handle a tough coach then you know there is significant problems regardless of what some loud mouth agent has to say.

Maybe bring in Patrick Roy, he won a Jack Adams.

Darryl is fine though, he has been a little more successful as a Flames coach than Geoff Ward and a little bit less successful than Bill Peters in terms of winning percentage.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

See it going one of two ways

-Sutter is given the boot after the season
-Huberdeau is dealt to Montreal for cap dump veteran contracts including Anderson

When you see these things develop, you know it's a matter of time before one party is removed

The water is poisoned. I say that because Sutter isn't the type of guy to go back on anything he's said or done.

Only resolution is separating the two parties.

[musth]

Walsh isn't wrong. It is boring.

I'm sure the guys aren't having any fun at all this year after game 5 or 6.

Sutter has to go. Who replaces him? Who knows, but its got to be done before the value of every player drops and fans lose complete interest

[traptor]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

See it going one of two ways

-Sutter is given the boot after the season
-Huberdeau is dealt to Montreal for cap dump veteran contracts including Anderson

When you see these things develop, you know it's a matter of time before one party is removed

The water is poisoned. I say that because Sutter isn't the type of guy to go back on anything he's said or done.

Only resolution is separating the two parties.

Would be pretty depressing to trade Huberdeau for some cap dumps, after refusing to rebuild in the best draft of the decade, and then watch him pop off again in Montreal.

Think you gotta try Huberdeau without Sutter before you consider moving him.

[Aarongavey]

Eventually we will fondly look back at the second Sutter era the way Leafs fans remember the 1979-81 Punch Imlach era. A treasured franchise icon who came back for one last chance at glory.