[PGT] Flames beat Islanders 4-1

[sonq]

Coleman has recently looked like he has accepted the challenge and wants to be one of the guys who step up and help with the scoring issue. Their whole line is just buzzing every night

[Demaeon]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Missed the game.

Are we undefeated when we get under 30 shots an game and score more?

Yes. We are also undefeated when we get over 30 shots a game and score more.

[browna]

Doesn't matter who you play in the league, you get up by multiple goals, then have your goalie save a few high danger high profile chances, you're going to keep the momentum within the game, get a few chances to go in like Kadri, and win what seems to be pretty comfortably.

But the Markstrom saves were key; there were other good saves of less profile, but either breakaway goes in andit goes to a 1 goal game and the dynamics change.

It was the Flames recipe for success last reg season, and the Peters division winning one as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We are undefeated when we score more, yes.

It’s science.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They keeping trotting out the same unit and not trying new ideas and players. Andersson hasn't been very good on the PP it feels like they are forcing it. Why not try Weegar and Mangiapane or Dube and removed Kadri and Andersson.

Dube seems like the closest thing we have for someone who can carry the puck in with speed to get set up like 13 did.

I think Andersson is not the issue. He does a good job at keep ins and puck distribution. Zone entry isn’t usually an issue either though it was more so last night.

Their problem is play selection and speed of execution. They are underusing Huberdeau, not playing the puck close to the net enough and not testing the goalie much side to side.

[CaptainYooh]

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[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

We've had two.

We've had two...just last year! We're old hands at it though.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Andersson is not the issue. He does a good job at keep ins and puck distribution. Zone entry isn’t usually an issue either though it was more so last night.

Their problem is play selection and speed of execution. They are underusing Huberdeau, not playing the puck close to the net enough and not testing the goalie much side to side.

Well said,
We have to get away from the notion of “closest thing we have for someone who can carry the puck in with speed to get set up like 13 did”. Living in the past is something we laugh at daily because we have a geographically close example.

Things are different, it’s a different team. Perhaps this team can be capable of winning. Unlike the past team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Andersson is not the issue. He does a good job at keep ins and puck distribution. Zone entry isn’t usually an issue either though it was more so last night.

Their problem is play selection and speed of execution. They are underusing Huberdeau, not playing the puck close to the net enough and not testing the goalie much side to side.

Speed of execution. I don't care who you put out there, if all 5 guys are standing still, slowly passing the puck around, nothing will happen. The way to break down the coverage, and generate chances, is to move the puck around quickly, with motion.

It would help if their zone entries were better, and winning more draws also helps, but they aren't dangerous when they set it up because they are moving the puck too slowly and too predictably.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Speed of execution. I don't care who you put out there, if all 5 guys are standing still, slowly passing the puck around, nothing will happen. The way to break down the coverage, and generate chances, is to move the puck around quickly, with motion.

It would help if their zone entries were better, and winning more draws also helps, but they aren't dangerous when they set it up because they are moving the puck too slowly and too predictably.

The good thing is, these are all things that can be improved and this team is showing steady improvement in different areas of their game consistently lately. It’s not like things are not working and we either can’t see why or are hopeless

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Zohorna should stay up.

we love him long time.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by sonq

Coleman has recently looked like he has accepted the challenge and wants to be one of the guys who step up and help with the scoring issue. Their whole line is just buzzing every night

Which is great because we really need him. We need our depth to be relevant and not floating around disinterested like he was the first 30 games.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Which is great because we really need him. We need our depth to be relevant and not floating around disinterested like he was the first 30 games.

He's very limited offensively so he needs to play with players that establish zone time to put up points.

He's 63rd in the league for forwards in xGF%, and 92nd in xGA60.

He's an elite defensive forward for the whole season, not the last ten games.

[browna]

JG, MT and PP1 last year especially, had all sorts of touch passes , hard passes, unconventional moves and high chemistry plays between themselves and Lindy, which got them time and space and the goalie also moving back and forth.
Besides being effective by itself, it forced other teams to play more conservative on the PK.
Don't have that this year, so much more conventional. Really you want to break it down to a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1, but that takes beating 2 or 3 defenders in some manner, and we don't have the guy with the confidence or chemistry to do that.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by browna

JG, MT and PP1 last year especially, had all sorts of touch passes , hard passes, unconventional moves and high chemistry plays between themselves and Lindy, which got them time and space and the goalie also moving back and forth.
Besides being effective by itself, it forced other teams to play more conservative on the PK.
Don't have that this year, so much more conventional. Really you want to break it down to a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1, but that takes beating 2 or 3 defenders in some manner, and we don't have the guy with the confidence or chemistry to do that.

Exactly what I said in the call up thread.

Thanks

[Major Major]

So is it a matter of coaching, reps or personnel?

The pp coach hasn't changed and they don't have better personnel... Not obviously anyway.

The Gaudreau, Lindholm and Tkachuk pp line had some incredibly frustrating stretches prior to last year. Same kind of stale looks, Johnny trying to force things from the half wall, etc.

I think what we have to hope for is that we do have skill players and they need more reps to build chemistry. Don't see any game breaking talent being air dropped onto the team any time soon.

[Enoch Root]

If you look at successful power plays around the league, more often than not, the best PPs are groups that have been together for a long time - as in several years. Good PPs have lots of set plays and lots of confidence in where guys will be and what they will do. In other words, chemistry.

The Flames' PP, under Gaudreau and Tkachuk, was far from great for most of their tenure. Last year they were good, but it took time.

This year, 3 of the 5 guys on PP1 were not there last year (Toffoli was added mid-season). I think it is far more likely to be a problem of familiarity than it is a problem of talent. I don't think these guys have suddenly forgotten how to hockey.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We are undefeated when we score more, yes.

Lol it was poorly worded. What I was trying to say was we have a better record with 30 or less shots and have scored more goals when shooting less. We have scored less when we shoot more. I think that's the stat they displayed during one of our 40 shot games.

Just seemed strange that when the goalie is under siege we don't score as much.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If you look at successful power plays around the league, more often than not, the best PPs are groups that have been together for a long time - as in several years. Good PPs have lots of set plays and lots of confidence in where guys will be and what they will do. In other words, chemistry.

The Flames' PP, under Gaudreau and Tkachuk, was far from great for most of their tenure. Last year they were good, but it took time.

This year, 3 of the 5 guys on PP1 were not there last year (Toffoli was added mid-season). I think it is far more likely to be a problem of familiarity than it is a problem of talent. I don't think these guys have suddenly forgotten how to hockey.

I wonder if the righty lefty plays are a part in it. Prior to Toffoli it was all left hand shots with just Lindholm and Andersson.

I'm not sure if this is accurate but it seems like a lot of the top units have more left shots?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lol it was poorly worded. What I was trying to say was we have a better record with 30 or less shots and have scored more goals when shooting less. We have scored less when we shoot more. I think that's the stat they displayed during one of our 40 shot games.

Just seemed strange that when the goalie is under siege we don't score as much.

Yes, I knew what you were trying to say, but had to make fun of what you actually posted.

And yes, the Flames record, when posting 40+ shots, is terrible, and when registering less than 30 shots, is really good. This is obviously counter-intuitive, but actually isn't as uncommon or off-kilter as it appears. If you look at games where a team (any team) posts 50+ shots, the records of those teams is shockingly bad. I remember one year where it happened 8 times, and that team lost 7 of those games. And I don't think that year was any great anomaly.