How do you pronounce Kadri?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Quad-Draw

[_Q_]

I know a few Lebanese people with the Kadri last name here in Canada and they are OK with pronouncing their name either with "A" sounding like the first letter of apple or the "O" in cot. It's really not difficult. Most English announcers pronounce the name correctly. I'm not sure what Singh is attempting to do... and I actually like Singh as an announcer.

K as in kangaroo
A as in apple
D as in drive
R as in river
I like the Y in silly.

No accents, no rolling of the R, nothing out of the ordinary.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by PuckDemon

This is actually a really interesting discussion. Ultimately, I found Singh changing his Kadri pronunciation a bit jarring. If it is actually the correct/preferred way to pronounce Kadri then I would be fine with it. I also felt the change of saying Giordano a bit jarring, but after it was clear that it was correct and everybody should say it that way, it felt normal.



The takes on diversity I think show the Horseshoe Theory of politics. The extreme side of the tolerance and inclusion group have some similarities in thinking with the extreme side that thinks some nefarious diversity agenda is being forced upon us. Lumping a Punjabi Sikh together with a Middle Eastern Muslim is pretty weird. If there was a Thai NHL player, it would be weird if people thought that I as a Chinese person would have special insight into how to pronounce his name. It would be even weirder if I pronounced the name with a Chinese accent and people thought I was "honoring" Thai heritage, since we are both Asian and can be lumped together.

I think what is going on has little or nothing to do with specifically honouring Kadri's heritage, and much more to do with Singh giving a nod to his Punjabi PBP days. Even if his pronunciation is not technically accurate, I don't see anything wrong with him drawing attention to his roots on the Punjabi broadcast. It is something that Singh is clearly intensely proud of, and unless this was something particularly bothersome to Kadri, I don't see the problem. Singh is distinguishing himself in a business in which he is a trailblazer. It is going to rub some people the wrong way, but good for him for blazing that trail; I personally think he is doing a great job.

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[gvitaly]

I don't really mind how Kadri is pronounced by Singh, but if you're going to roll R's then you should do it for Zadorov too. Z himself said he prefers to be Z in North America because he doesn't like how Zadorov is pronounced here.

[Enoch Root]

Personally, I like when people try to pronounce names correctly - it seems respectful to me - whether they succeed, or are correct, or not. I appreciate the effort.

What I don't really get, is people being bothered by it. Who cares? Getting upset or irritated about it is a choice - try choosing not getting upset about it. Life is more enjoyable that way.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I know a few Lebanese people with the Kadri last name here in Canada and they are OK with pronouncing their name either with "A" sounding like the first letter of apple or the "O" in cot. It's really not difficult. Most English announcers pronounce the name correctly. I'm not sure what Singh is attempting to do... and I actually like Singh as an announcer.

K as in kangaroo
A as in apple
D as in drive
R as in river
I like the Y in silly.

No accents, no rolling of the R, nothing out of the ordinary.

This should end it, thanks for this Q.

TLDR: Singh is doing this out of the blue for his own reasons, it’s not culturally correct or disrespectful it’s just his “twang” which started this season.

Not racially motivated.
No hate
No bull####

His choice and those that hate it can do so.
Those that like it are allowed, but nobody is wrong or stupid or a racist idiot for being on either side.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Caw-Drooah

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Arabic speaker here.

Further to a point made way earlier in this thread the "K" sound is not silent in any dialect in Arabic. It is most usually pronounced as a "K" as it would be in English. However, Kadri's last name should actually be transliterated into Qadri if he was to be as accurate as possible. The "Q" in Arabic is pronounce a whole bunch of different ways throughout the arab world. The propper and classical pronunciation is a guttural, "k" sound similar to the the "c" is "cought", but a little harder and more throaty.

The way the "Q" its pronounced in Lebanon, where Nazem is from is indeed just a silent letter. So it would just be 'Adri. However, when it comes to proper names, it's considered incorrect to pronounce them with a dialect, however, most people in Lebanon don't care and would pronounce it as 'Adri.

Similar to that, most Palestinian dialects do the same this with the letter "Q", however Al-Quds (the arabic name for Jerusalem) would be pronounced just as its written. The lebanese, however, call it "el-'uds".

Is there any guttural tongue roll to the "dri" piece? I think this is the part with Singh's pronunciation that seems a bit ad hoc and jarring to people because it's a very Indian/Punjab way of saying it for no discernable reason at all because he has used the NHL guide pronunciation before he started doing this.

Its hard to think of another analogy. It has nothing to do with racism toward the player or announcer but just respecting the actual language and culture of the player. It it would almost be like having a Ukrainian player on the team (who remembers Babchuk?) and the announcer for arbitrary reasons pronounces their name in a very Russian way only for that one player. Another one would be if someone continually insisted on saying my name publicly in the Mainland Chinese way instead of the Hong Kong way which would be irritating.

Ultimately, I actually like Singh's broadcasts and prefer him to Ball and the old team. He gets excited about plays and raises his cadence in a way that makes the game fun to watch.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Is there any guttural tongue roll to the "dri" piece? I think this is the part with Singh's pronunciation that seems a bit ad hoc and jarring to people because it's a very Indian/Punjab way of saying it for no discernable reason at all because he has used the NHL guide pronunciation before he started doing this.

Its hard to think of another analogy. It has nothing to do with racism toward the player or announcer but just respecting the actual language and culture of the player. It it would almost be like having a Ukrainian player on the team (who remembers Babchuk?) and the announcer for arbitrary reasons pronounces their name in a very Russian way only for that one player. Another one would be if someone continually insisted on saying my name publicly in the Mainland Chinese way instead of the Hong Kong way which would be irritating.

Ultimately, I actually like Singh's broadcasts and prefer him to Ball and the old team. He gets excited about plays and raises his cadence in a way that makes the game fun to watch.

Singh isn't doing this for Kadri. Singh is doing this for Singh.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Is there any guttural tongue roll to the "dri" piece? I think this is the part with Singh's pronunciation that seems a bit ad hoc and jarring to people because it's a very Indian/Punjab way of saying it for no discernable reason at all because he has used the NHL guide pronunciation before he started doing this.

Its hard to think of another analogy. It has nothing to do with racism toward the player or announcer but just respecting the actual language and culture of the player. It it would almost be like having a Ukrainian player on the team (who remembers Babchuk?) and the announcer for arbitrary reasons pronounces their name in a very Russian way only for that one player. Another one would be if someone continually insisted on saying my name publicly in the Mainland Chinese way instead of the Hong Kong way which would be irritating.

Ultimately, I actually like Singh's broadcasts and prefer him to Ball and the old team. He gets excited about plays and raises his cadence in a way that makes the game fun to watch.

No, there is no tongue roll with the 'dri' piece. The eastern Mediterranean dialect of arabic doesn't do the tongue trill with the letter 'R', the way they do in French or Spanish. The 'dri' part should probably be the easiest part of his name to pronounce correctly.

I get that Singh wants to make this his thing. But it's wrong. Either pronounce it the arabic way, or the canadian way. Don't invent a Punjabi way to pronounce it because Kadri isn't Indian and he doesn't live in India.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Singh isn't doing this for Kadri. Singh is doing this for Singh.

Which is totally fine, and people should get over it.

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[pylon]

The most obscene thing about this thread, is how quick people jump on the “You’re a RACIST!” narrative for someone being annoyed by the pronunciation of a word. It’s disgusting. If we were complaining about Ball pronouncing Backlunds name wrong, people would be joking around and making memes. But because the announcer and player are a visible minority, all off a sudden, you are labelled as a racist for disagreeing with the way a word is being said.

Look at the frikking thread tags FFS. That’s disgusting. Do better CP.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I get that Singh wants to make this his thing. But it's wrong. Either pronounce it the arabic way, or the canadian way. Don't invent a Punjabi way to pronounce it because Kadri isn't Indian and he doesn't live in India.

But Singh is IndoCanadian, and he is fiercely proud of that heritage. Unless Kadri has a problem with it, why shouldn't he be allowed to show this tiny piece of his own cultural diversity?


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[Gondi Stylez]

Singh changed up his pronunciation a bit before this was released - maybe/assuming they did chat about it?

https://youtu.be/XJTSt50ZoxM

Sorry don’t know how to embed.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by pylon

The most obscene thing about this thread, is how quick people jump on the “You’re a RACIST!” narrative for someone being annoyed by the pronunciation of a word. It’s disgusting. If we were complaining about Ball pronouncing Backlunds name wrong, people would be joking around and making memes. But because the announcer and player are a visible minority, all off a sudden, you are labelled as a racist for disagreeing with the way a word is being said.

Look at the frikking thread tags FFS. That’s disgusting. Do better CP.

I didn't even notice the thread tag, what a ####ing embarrassment

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But Singh is IndoCanadian, and he is fiercely proud of that heritage. Unless Kadri has a problem with it, why shouldn't he be allowed to show this tiny piece of his own cultural diversity?


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Do we know whether or not it bothers Kadri?

Question, if Nazem was to meet a white person and was to say "hello, my name is Nazem." Would it be OK if that person said "say what? I'm just gonna call you Nate, it's easier for me."?

Just because Singh is proud of his heritage, as he should be, it doesn't mean it's OK to mispronounce certain individuals names to sound more in line with his culture.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Kia-Drough

[CroCop]

Harnaryan the Oiler fan with the ultimate troll job towards cp. mission accomplished

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Do we know whether or not it bothers Kadri?



Question, if Nazem was to meet a white person and was to say "hello, my name is Nazem." Would it be OK if that person said "say what? I'm just gonna call you Nate, it's easier for me."?

This is a false equivalency, because Singh is not addressing or conversing with Kadri in his play-call. He is talking to his audience. It also seems to me that he does this out of affection, and not disrespect. I can't imagine he would do it if there was even the smallest chance a player he obviously admires a great deal would be bothered by it.

Just because Singh is proud of his heritage, as he should be, it doesn't mean it's OK to mispronounce certain individuals names to sound more in line with his culture.

It is the same way he would pronounce Kadri's name on the Punjabi broadcast. Should the Punjabi broadcasts have also adopted the same approach? Why? Since HNIC Punjabi is no longer on the air, and since Singh is the only vestige of the show left on HNIC, I don't doubt that he is highly mindful of this small demographic in his audience. Of course he is going to play-up to them, and I bet the HNIC Punjabi viewers love every minute of seeing one of their own breaking into the mainstream.

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[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is a false equivalency, because Singh is not addressing or conversing with Kadri in his play-call. He is talking to his audience. It also seems to me that he does this out of affection, and not disrespect. I can't imagine he would do it if there was even the smallest chance a player he obviously admires a great deal would be bothered by it.


It is the same way he would pronounce Kadri's name on the Punjabi broadcast. Should the Punjabi broadcasts have also adopted the same approach? Why? Since HNIC Punjabi is no longer on the air, and since Singh is the only vestige of the show left on HNIC, I don't doubt that he is highly mindful of this small demographic in his audience. Of course he is going to play-up to them, and I bet the HNIC Punjabi viewers love every minute of seeing one of their own breaking into the mainstream.

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Singh certainly isn't doing it out of disrespect, but he's not speaking strictly to the punjabi audience anymore, he's speaking to national audiences, which includes all the cultures that live in this country. Unless Kadri has specifically said its supposed to be pronounced this way, its completely silly to start pronouncing it with a punjabi accent, especially when Singh himself doesn't speak with an accent generally. Why not pronounce Huberdeau with a Punjabi accent? Tanev? Coleman? Any name can be punjabified.

BTW I'm Punjabi...it's not special to me at all that he's using this accent for Kadri's name. Its actually a bit annoying because he's just applying it superficially to a player that has a brown skin tone, without the right cultural context. Just say it the way that most people say it unless Kadri himself specifies how its pronounced. It just comes across as cringey and trying too hard. And as posted above, its probably highly inaccurate.

Also, I believe Hockey night Punjabi is still happening...I'm sure I saw a Punjabi broadcast option on the Sportsnet streaming app this season.