MacKenzie Weegar rocks

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Florida got a superstar young player who signed for 8 years for all of his prime years.

Calgary can never win this trade.

But Calgary was forced to trade this player. They were never going to win it.

The unfortunate part for the Flames is that they could not take advantage of the season where the two main guys they got back made less than the one they sent out while those two were in their prime age range.

I still think Weegar is a really good player and that he will be quite good at this cap number. But he's not a Superstar type big loud flamboyant player like Tkachuck and even Gaudreau was. More of the unsung first pairing type that doesn't get a lot of notoriety outside the advanced stats community. So when both guys play at the top of their game, one will always look better. Even if a guy like Weegars analytics support that he's doing more to help his team win.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The unfortunate part for the Flames is that they could not take advantage of the season where the two main guys they got back made less than the one they sent out while those two were in their prime age range.

I still think Weegar is a really good player and that he will be quite good at this cap number. But he's not a Superstar type big loud flamboyant player like Tkachuck and even Gaudreau was. More of the unsung first pairing type that doesn't get a lot of notoriety outside the advanced stats community. So when both guys play at the top of their game, one will always look better. Even if a guy like Weegars analytics support that he's doing more to help his team win.

Weegar has been excellent for the Flames. But the fact remains he's older and needed a long term contract.

Look at what Ottawa is doing. That is the model that most Canadian teams need to follow. Ottawa didn't do that for years, but has finally figured it out.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Weegar has been excellent for the Flames. But the fact remains he's older and needed a long term contract.

Look at what Ottawa is doing. That is the model that most Canadian teams need to follow. Ottawa didn't do that for years, but has finally figured it out.

I like what Ottawa has done too, but can they at least make the playoffs before we give them this type of praise?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If both players came on the market today the interest level and offers would be night and day.

It would be really interesting to know what other offers existed out there at the time though. Very curious what Carolina was offering. Very curious if St Louis was willing to offer a deal. Could the Flames have landed Kyrou+?

The Blues offer was reported to be Scandella, Tarasenko and a 1st. Nothing around Kyrou
The Canes offer was reported to include Necas, and not much known beyond that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I like what Ottawa has done too, but can they at least make the playoffs before we give them this type of praise?

Yeah, a couple injuries or bad bets, one of those guys turn out to be duds or demand a trade and this doesnt work out like a Disneyland Fairytale where everyone lives 'Happily Ever After.'

[Freddy]

I like SylvanFans perspective that Weegar doesn’t have the star power or dynamic results but might actually help the Flames win more hockey games than Tkachuk or Gaudreau (major apologies if that’s not what he said). I think the order of importance on a championship roster is goaltending, Center, defence, and then wingers; using that rationale an argument could be made a guy like Weegar getting top 2 minutes is actually contributing more to playoff wins than high scoring wingers. I get that Weegar has never had the hype of a blue chip prospect, but like Giordano he’s worked for and had to earn all the playing time he’s built up to by overcoming being lower priority and less regarded. I think Tkachuk was a beast for Florida this year in the playoffs and wouldn’t be surprised if Weegar has similar potential for the Flames. Optimistic yes, but chemistry and group vibe/confidence go a long way in sports and I think Weegar brings good intangibles.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Blues offer was reported to be Scandella, Tarasenko and a 1st. Nothing around Kyrou
The Canes offer was reported to include Necas, and not much known beyond that.

Tarasenko had a full no trade so I doubt that was ever a possibility.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Tarasenko had a full no trade so I doubt that was ever a possibility.

He wanted out and only had a year left.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Tarasenko had a full no trade so I doubt that was ever a possibility.

It’s been reported by a number of outlets

[Robbob]

Yeah, it was no secret that the Blues low balled the flames and hoped Tkachuk would force his way to the Blues. I think they under estimated that Tkachuk would be open to more options.

[GioforPM]

No, no no, you don’t understand. Obviously a whole bunch of teams (that Tkachuk wanted to go to) were offering a lot more than a 100+ point forward, a top pairing Dman, a decent prospect and a first round pick. All those reports must be wrong.

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Tkachuk more than made up for Huberdeau's PP contributions. Barkov just had a bit of a bad season offensively. He was battling nagging injuries for a while (again).

Hey Cali! Im interested in your opinion on Huberdeau. And if you think he can bounce back or not.

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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, no no, you don’t understand. Obviously a whole bunch of teams (that Tkachuk wanted to go to) were offering a lot more than a 100+ point forward, a top pairing Dman, a decent prospect and a first round pick. All those reports must be wrong.

Part of the issue was that I think Tkachuk's list was 5 teams
But really it was 3 as two of them (NYR and Tampa) weren't realistic choices.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Part of the issue was that I think Tkachuk's list was 5 teams
But really it was 3 as two of them (NYR and Tampa) weren't realistic choices.

Which still makes the return for him incredible. You could have probably removed the first and it was still the best deal by far we could have expected.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It’s been reported by a number of outlets

I'm not saying it wasn't. Im saying Im skeptical either Tarasenko or Scandella would want to join the Flames after their two superstars just left. Typically the trade is worked out then the player is approached.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Which still makes the return for him incredible. You could have probably removed the first and it was still the best deal by far we could have expected.

Yup, the only that gives pause is Necas depending on if/what was the plus

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Yeah, it was no secret that the Blues low balled the flames and hoped Tkachuk would force his way to the Blues. I think they under estimated that Tkachuk would be open to more options.

This is likely true. And the value from Florida was really good considering the position the Flames were in. But the trade happened fast so I'm not sure other teams in the mix were putting their best offers out there yet either.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup, the only that gives pause is Necas depending on if/what was the plus

I was very high on Necas even before he blew up last year. I was shocked that he blew up so fast. Did not expect him to hit 70 points and lead his team in points. Necas could probably do even better than 70 points on a team with more offense.

[Vinny01]

The Carolina trade was likely the best for the team long term but not without the benefit of hindsight. The Florida deal allowed the Flsmes on paper to remain a top contender but getting Necas++ would have been better long term but he hasn’t broke out yet so it was a risk. Not sure I believe it but I had read the offer was Necas+Jarvis+Gardiner+pick and the Flames pushed for Pecse or another D but the Canes didn’t want to. Not sure how true that was as it was a bit of a OJ rumor

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is likely true. And the value from Florida was really good considering the position the Flames were in. But the trade happened fast so I'm not sure other teams in the mix were putting their best offers out there uet either.

I'm guessing the Florida trade came with a very short fuse. A big part of that was likely not letting Huberdeau know about it, as they didn't want him to muck things up with his own demands.