The thing that made Hasek so amazing is that even if you took these 10 saves away, he would still have a highlight package that no other goalie could match.
The best ever Butterfly style goalie - Patrick Roy hands down
The best every mixed style goalie - Hasek hands down
The best On-All-4's style goalie - Ed Belfour
The best standup style goalies - Fuhr and Vernon
The best scorpion style goalie - Kipper
This is an interesting way to look at it. But I would change best standup style to Dryden and Sawchuk.
For me, the best ever is Roy, simply because of his playoff career. He won two cups basically on his own.
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
Exp:
So much recenct bias in the poll....its impossible to even vote.
Though both Roy and Hasek are in the mix.
However if you give some of the "older" guys the equipment and training and coaching we have seen in the last 25 years or so, this list would be much different IMO.
The Following User Says Thank You to transplant99 For This Useful Post:
So much recenct bias in the poll....its impossible to even vote.
Though both Roy and Hasek are in the mix.
However if you give some of the "older" guys the equipment and training and coaching we have seen in the last 25 years or so, this list would be much different IMO.
Well, since time machines don’t exist, let’s keep it simple and not try to make assumptions about how players would do in different eras.
So much recenct bias in the poll....its impossible to even vote.
Though both Roy and Hasek are in the mix.
However if you give some of the "older" guys the equipment and training and coaching we have seen in the last 25 years or so, this list would be much different IMO.
Nah, I never go for that argument, as then you have change everything else as well. Give those goalies todays equipment, sure. But are we then able to give them todays players with their new equipment and sticks as well? Cause then the argument starts to hold a lot less water.
You ever watch those old games and how the players shoot? I see harder shots in low level beer league games, lol.
The Following User Says Thank You to jayswin For This Useful Post:
So....todays players are always better than those in the past?
LOL....OK then.
How is that your response? You were the one that wanted to give older goalies an advantage of today because you claimed they'd do better. I just took your comparison and pointed out that you need to then go all the way and give them everything from todays game.
And yes, players of today are multitudes better than the players back then. It's not even close. Just look at the shape they're in, the training, the constant practice, etc. You were basically saying the equipment and training and coaching we have seen in the last 25 years or so, but not the players trying to score on them? That's asinine.
I mean just look at old highlights. This was amazing hockey at the time because it was the best in the world....at the time. But compared to today this is just, slow goofy stuff. Players just meandering around, kind of bumping into each other at half speed in attempts to take the puck, goalies tossing their legs out wildly at players as they approach for a deke, lol.
The Following User Says Thank You to jayswin For This Useful Post:
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
Exp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
How is that your response? You were the one that wanted to give older goalies an advantage of today because you claimed they'd do better. I just took your comparison and pointed out that you need to then go all the way and give them everything from todays game.
And yes, players of today are multitudes better than the players back then. It's not even close. Just look at the shape they're in, the training, the constant practice, etc. You were basically saying the equipment and training and coaching we have seen in the last 25 years or so, but not the players trying to score on them? That's asinine.
Kind of why i literally said this....
Quote:
However if you give some of the "older" guys the equipment and training and coaching we have seen in the last 25 years or so, this list would be much different IMO.
OK...then give the old shooters todays equipment....which is remarkably different.
But that's what we were saying. Don't give the goalies todays advantage and say they'd be better because of it. Give them everything from today's game, but then suddenly you can't just claim that they'd have been better and ranked better against someone like Hasek.
Maybe I was reading too quick and misunderstood what you were claiming then. Originally it seemed you were defending older goalies only and wanted them to have superior equipment to make a true comparison to todays goalies.
To which me and EnochNoot pointed out that that isn't fair unless you have everything from todays game, otherwise you would no longer be able to claim that the goalies of yesterday would fare better in historic goaltender rankings.
I just noticed you're now just arguing for the sake of all older players, not just goalies being better if they had todays training, equipment, coaching etc. Which yes, I'd obviously agree with that.
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
Exp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
But that's what we were saying. Don't give the goalies todays advantage and say they'd be better because of it. Give them everything from today's game, but then suddenly you can't just claim that they'd have been better and ranked better against someone like Hasek.
The problem for me is the vasy majority on this thread have never seen the goaltenders from the past play which IMO is reflected in the poll answers. Most have seen Roy or Hasek, thus the bias.
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
Exp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
But that's what we were saying. Don't give the goalies todays advantage and say they'd be better because of it. Give them everything from today's game, but then suddenly you can't just claim that they'd have been better and ranked better against someone like Hasek.
Even then, knowing how those players would have fared today would only be a guess. Like how would Phil Esposito fare against the goalies of today scoring wise?
Where would Lundqvist finish in a top ten list? Would he be in a top ten list? I always felt like he was the next batch, him and Luongo from Broduer and Roy.
