Tkachuk on his decision

[devo22]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You shouldn’t care, but Tkachuk all doesn’t deserve any credit for Treliving being able to get assets for him.

And you know, if that’s an important thing to you, Fox allowed us to do that as well.

at the time of the trade, the Flames still owned his rights for two more years. Fox didn't "allow" them to do anything. Tkachuk gave them a list of teams who he'd re-sign with, giving them the chance to get a better package. He didn't have to do that, so I'm happy he did.

[smiggy77]

Ya I give him respect for being transparent and working with a team. I'd also imagine a sign and trade is a bit complex (hence being the first one in NHL history), so it shows that all parties were at the table working together.

JG situation is more of a piss off.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by devo22

at the time of the trade, the Flames still owned his rights for two more years. Fox didn't "allow" them to do anything. Tkachuk gave them a list of teams who he'd re-sign with, giving them the chance to get a better package. He didn't have to do that, so I'm happy he did.

The Flames still owned Tkachuk’s rights for another year.

Adam Fox didn’t need to inform the Flames he wasn’t going to sign with them, but he did, and that allowed them to trade him for some value.

The difference between Fox and Tkachuk is that Tkachuk played for the team. But Gaudreau isn’t getting any credit for even playing into UFA years, so I doubt it matters much in terms of the overall narrative for each player.

[Sofa GM]

The NHL is going to have to do something here in the near future or there is going to be a big problem (there already is a problem). It used to be that for the most part players were very loyal to the teams that drafted or traded for them outside of issues with the coach or other players. And this of course is assuming that the pay is equal which I think in todays NHL is pretty much the case. Now players want to leave cause they want to live in different cities, where the tax breaks are better etc. What this will translate to long term is there will no longer be teams in Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Edmonton, Buffalo, etc.

The NHL needs to do a few things to help get some parity back if the landscape is changing like this. A good place to start would be compensatory picks. If a player decides he wants to leave his team as a UFA if there has been an equal offer in place then that team should be awarded a compensatory pick based on the production of that player. In the latest version of Gaudreau leaving and based on his production the Flames should be awarded a first round pick (at the end of the round) as compensation for him walking.

The other thing that needs to be looked at is some equalization around the taxation of players in different markets. How can higher tax markets compete with those such as Florida where the tax rates are significantly lower. It isn’t coincidence that Tampa Bay has gone to three straight Stanley Cup finals and the Florida Panthers won the Presidents Trophy. In my opinion if there is a a 5-10 % overall benefit for a player to play for certain teams (ie Tampa/Florida) than those teams should have 5-10% less cap space to work with. Teams in higher tax locations would then be afforded the luxury of paying slightly more for players to keep the take home for the player the same.

Of course I expect nothing to happen until when Edmonton loses Draisatl and McDavid or when Matthews walks on Toronto. But I do believe it is something that we will see in the future.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The difference between Fox and Tkachuk is that Tkachuk played for the team.

exactly, but that's a pretty big difference in my book. I guess I'm just extra critical of a guy who hasn't yet played in the league, but is already entitled enough to say "NY or bust".

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But Gaudreau isn’t getting any credit for even playing into UFA years, so I doubt it matters much in terms of the overall narrative for each player.

he's getting credit from me for that, but he gets zero credit from me for the way he left.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The Flames still owned Tkachuk’s rights for another year.

Adam Fox didn’t need to inform the Flames he wasn’t going to sign with them, but he did, and that allowed them to trade him for some value.

The difference between Fox and Tkachuk is that Tkachuk played for the team. But Gaudreau isn’t getting any credit for even playing into UFA years, so I doubt it matters much in terms of the overall narrative for each player.

Further, tkachuk played in the CHL, making his path harder to dictate on his terms than Fox’s was.

[GranteedEV]

Florida still has a #1D (Ekblad) and #1C (Barkov) so I can see why Tkachuk saw them as an interesting destination. They may not contend this year but they ostensibly do have the pieces to build around. Calgary never had both those pieces while Tkachuk was here. We had Giordano in 2017 and 2018 but no #1C. Giordano by the 2019 playoffs had aged out of #1D level play and we never really got a #1C since.

[sureLoss]

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[SportsJunky]

I'm glad Matthew gave Treliving enough of a warning so that a deal could be put together. I really am. I don't like how he seeks credit for it though. "Hey, I could have totally ####ed you guys over but I didn't. I'm a good guy, right?"

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I defended Goodrow for the past 6 years against posters like Estrada and Timbit who wanted to run him out of town since year 2.

I could accept his decision to leave for his family to be close to home if he signed with the Devils, Isles or Flyers. but then to leave the Flames for the BJs and for less money? eff off! Coupled with that huge cringe press conference, and releasing his I like Calgary 1 week too late I'm ok with booing him whenever he returns like Adam Lindros.

I really shouldn't bother engaging with you, but you are compressing 2 steps into 1:

1. He decided to leave Calgary to be closer to home (knowing it would probably cost a lot of $$$)
2. CBJ ended up being the best available option.

Simple.

[djsFlames]

On ice/off ice? Huh.. Are there issues we don't know about?

[Lanny_McDonald]

The fact the player has to tell the GM that it's time to move on is quite telling. The GM should be able to read when this is likely to happen. They should know when it's time to move a player, when one wants out, and when one needs some help out the door. How is he missing this stuff?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Florida still has a #1D (Ekblad) and #1C (Barkov) so I can see why Tkachuk saw them as an interesting destination. They may not contend this year but they ostensibly do have the pieces to build around. Calgary never had both those pieces while Tkachuk was here. We had Giordano in 2017 and 2018 but no #1C. Giordano by the 2019 playoffs had aged out of #1D level play and we never really got a #1C since.

The D I'll give you but Lindholm is legit.

He was on the best line in hockey. Better than Barkov's. So the C part is nonsense.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

On ice/off ice? Huh.. Are there issues we don't know about?

I don't think his team mates like him very much and that is going to spill over to Florida as well. I think we dodged a bullet here and got away from a Fleury situation developing again. Never really liked his personality and antics, so glad he's gone. Flames will be a better team down the line without the Tkachuk dynamic.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The fact the player has to tell the GM that it's time to move on is quite telling. The GM should be able to read when this is likely to happen. They should know when it's time to move a player, when one wants out, and when one needs some help out the door. How is he missing this stuff?

There is a chance this could be a Sutter issue. Great coach, gets results but those type of hard coaches are not viewed favorably by the new woke generation of players.

[browna]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I'm definitely not "happy" that Tkachuk took this route. But this is the difference between acting like a professional and not. Gaudreau hemmed and hawed, and Tkachuk did not. In almost any professional setting, uncertainty sucks the most.

For what it's worth, Gaudreau handled things less professionally than Fox too: Fox was clear about his intentions and played by the (dumb) rules. He sucks, but you're right that it's not dissimilar to Tkachuk, who used the rules to get what he wants.

I don't like what Tkachuk or Fox did, but I like what Gaudreau did even less.

Bottom line, JG wanted Philly or Calgary.And if not Philly, Calgary. Agent strung him along to the last hours that Philly was in it.

When Philly was out, he tries to convince the wife on a last second attempt that it should be Calgary. He didn't win that conversation with a pregnant wife, so plan C it is.

Gaudreau had a lot more legitimate desire to be here then Fox or even Tkachuk after, as Philly06Cup says, made a business decision not to play this season when he signed here years ago.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The fact the player has to tell the GM that it's time to move on is quite telling. The GM should be able to read when this is likely to happen. They should know when it's time to move a player, when one wants out, and when one needs some help out the door. How is he missing this stuff?

Sounds like the Flames need to hire someone strictly for gossip duty lol..

Don't appear to have a beat on their own players.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Sounds like the Flames need to hire someone strictly for gossip duty lol..

Don't appear to have a beat on their own players.

Ministry of truth and disinformation lol

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't think his team mates like him very much and that is going to spill over to Florida as well. I think we dodged a bullet here and got away from a Fleury situation developing again. Never really liked his personality and antics, so glad he's gone. Flames will be a better team down the line without the Tkachuk dynamic.

Was probably a sign when they didn't back him and had the spat in the dressing room after the puck flip.

Tkachuk rubs a lot of people the wrong way and sounds like other players weren't up to defending him in every instance. Maybe because they themselves weren't big fans of the guy.

Takes nothing away from it for me. I was a huge fan. Just not when it came to the playoff disappearing act.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

There is a chance this could be a Sutter issue. Great coach, gets results but those type of hard coaches are not viewed favorably by the new woke generation of players.

First, I think there is a lot of reading too much into "time to move on", which is a pretty standard and generic response for someone who really just wants a change...not becuase of the current situation or what has happened in the past, but becuase he wants a different experience or scenery or challenge or whatever, for the next 8 years of his life, and not in Calgary.

And he doesn't have JG around, where there was undeniable chemistry, and, he has to be "the guy" here, where in Florida, there is a Barkov, but, being "the guy" in Florida is less then being "the guy" in a market like Calgary. If he has a bad 5 game stretch in Calgary at $9.5M there will be fans and press asking what's wrong. It would have to be 50 game stretch in Florida for fans or medoa to start asking questions.

But, when MT has flipped out in the past (Muzzin incident specifically) in the room, I think Tkachuk got some eye rolls from the room. Gio as captain, and others. Gio going I think helped MT this year, but I don't think he really thought some had his back as they should, in the room and at organizational level.