[News] Mangiapane, Kylington, Phillips file for salary arbitration. Tkachuk does not

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Macman

Also, why would Kylington and Mangiapane file for arbitration when they’re essentially almost a free agent. If they don’t sign their offer sheets then other teams can make them an offer. But I suppose they have to settle that part first.

As some have mentioned arbitration is one of the tools a restricted free agent has if he thinks that he is underpaid by the qualifying offer. The other tool is signing an offer sheet with another team.

Take Mangiapane for example he scored 35 goals, but his qualifying offer is only $2.45M. If he and the Flames can’t come to an agreement about his worth they can seek a 3rd party to help them resolve the issue. He could go to an arbitrator and argue that other players who produce the way he does make $6M, the Flames will argue that based on the previous years he’s only a $4.5M player. Eventually the arbitrator will give him a 1 yr $5.25M contract and everyone will be happy. The player just gained $3M and the team still gets to keep a valuable player.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe but his dad played there. His family lives there. There's some family tradition in that market and I'm sure it's enticing for Matthew and Keith.

Didn't Ottawa fans have this same discussion a year ago?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Macman

But in Mangiapane’s case that could happen since this is now his second time through this with the Flames. That’s why I was wondering why they didn’t offer more than his current salary or is that not allowed and they stick to the previous amount, I’m not sure what his salary was prior to this contract.

Flames must feel confident about what they want to pay and what he’s worth.

Don't spend any time thinking about the qualifying offer. It's just paperwork a team needs to file with the league to keep their RFA rights to a player. It's not a serious contract offer to the player.


The only reason people are talking about Tkachuk's QO as an option is because the way his last contract was structured, he needed to be qualified at $9 million, which is a lot of money. But really, even for him, the only reason he would think about signing the QO would be if he really wants to leave Calgary and Treliving refuses to consider trading him. The better option for him would be to ask for a trade to a team he's willing to sign with long-term. If he's dead-set on leaving Calgary ASAP, that would be the best option for the Flames as well.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Macman

So how is that extra 2m not part of the cap then or are bonuses excluded?

3x7M AAV = 21M

Year 1: $5M
Year 2: $7M
Year 3: $9M

[flamesrule_kipper34]

If I'm Tkachuk I'm trying to get the max $ from Calgary on a 6-year deal.

Basically maximize value from that career best, I'm not entirely sure I'm doing that without John.

Get the term and then move me to UFA status with Brady.

[GreenLantern2814]

A team offersheeting Tkachuk at this point would be doing us a favour.

7x$10.5M - anyone gonna be too bothered by that?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A team offersheeting Tkachuk at this point would be doing us a favour.

7x$10.5M - anyone gonna be too bothered by that?

that would be so stupid of any team

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

As some have mentioned arbitration is one of the tools a restricted free agent has if he thinks that he is underpaid by the qualifying offer. The other tool is signing an offer sheet with another team.

Take Mangiapane for example he scored 35 goals, but his qualifying offer is only $2.45M. If he and the Flames can’t come to an agreement about his worth they can seek a 3rd party to help them resolve the issue. He could go to an arbitrator and argue that other players who produce the way he does make $6M, the Flames will argue that based on the previous years he’s only a $4.5M player. Eventually the arbitrator will give him a 1 yr $5.25M contract and everyone will be happy. The player just gained $3M and the team still gets to keep a valuable player.

The other thing arbitration does is put the flames "on the clock" if they want to negotiate a longer term deal. I think something just over 5M AAV on a 4 or 5 year deal probably is the compromise

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A team offersheeting Tkachuk at this point would be doing us a favour.

7x$10.5M - anyone gonna be too bothered by that?

4 first round picks? No I wouldn't be too bothered by that.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by MrMike

4 first round picks? No I wouldn't be too bothered by that.

That would depend on where those picks land. If all four picks end up being late first round then I don’t think it would be very good.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

If I'm Tkachuk I'm trying to get the max $ from Calgary on a 6-year deal.

Basically maximize value from that career best, I'm not entirely sure I'm doing that without John.

Get the term and then move me to UFA status with Brady.

I have thought the same thing and puts him in line for another huge payday at 30 years old. 6 year deal feels right but if he wants more money now then 8 is the way to go.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MrMike

4 first round picks? No I wouldn't be too bothered by that.

The cutoff for four 1st round picks is $10,503,720, so nobody would ever offer that anyway.

I also think there’s a strong case that trading four future 1sts for any player, even McDavid, is not tenable. You’d have no ammunition for trades to help that player/team for the next four years.

It doesn’t work.

A shorter offer sheet either buys the Flames time, and sewers Tkachuk a bit since concerns about how his game will age aren’t going anywhere. It’s better that he cash in now vs when he’s 28 or 29, as Gaudreau just showed.

A long term offer sheet, up to $10,503,719, would be matched, since keeping the player is worth the extra $1M premium, just to show the league that we can, in fact, pay star players enough to play here.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The cutoff for four 1st round picks is $10,503,720, so nobody would ever offer that anyway.

I also think there’s a strong case that trading four future 1sts for any player, even McDavid, is not tenable. You’d have no ammunition for trades to help that player/team for the next four years.

It doesn’t work.

A shorter offer sheet either buys the Flames time, and sewers Tkachuk a bit since concerns about how his game will age aren’t going anywhere. It’s better that he cash in now vs when he’s 28 or 29, as Gaudreau just showed.

A long term offer sheet, up to $10,503,719, would be matched, since keeping the player is worth the extra $1M premium, just to show the league that we can, in fact, pay star players enough to play here.

But if the contract is over 5 years, it’s still only averaged as if it was 5 years.

7 years at 10m is still calc’d at 5 years at 70m.

It’s really interesting but I just don’t see any team offer sheeting him.

[The Fisher Account]

Probably work out as well as those 1st's we got for Iggy

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Probably work out as well as those 1st's we got for Iggy

1st, not plural..

[Psytic]

I think I like the 6 yr deal idea. Its harder than we think to hit on all those 1st rounders especially if they are all late round from a contender. They could all end up Oilering for all we know. I think its good to keep the marquee pieces that are young you have and try to fill the holes like LA style. They could maybe sell high on Markstrom for picks and try to keep the first line and do a mini tank if Tkachuk stays and the players are open to it.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549069065351602176

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I think I like the 6 yr deal idea. Its harder than we think to hit on all those 1st rounders especially if they are all late round from a contender. They could all end up Oilering for all we know. I think its good to keep the marquee pieces that are young you have and try to fill the holes like LA style. They could maybe sell high on Markstrom for picks and try to keep the first line and do a mini tank if Tkachuk stays and the players are open to it.

I'm told 6 year deals are failures. Seriously, I don't mind it either. Serves a purpose for both sides.

In a way Mangiapane is in a better position than Tkachuk. He has produced mainly without Gaudreau and mainly even strength. He seems to have some upward growth potential still, given his minutes and progression. He can argue a long term deal is worth it. And other teams probably see that too.

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549069065351602176

So...Takes bridge contract to walk himself to free agency and signs with the Kunlun Red Star to be closer to his ancestral home of Italy.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549069065351602176

Answer to the last question: Better quality of media covering the teams.