The straight dude's guide to Brokeback

[Incinerator]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

btw: I don't drink coolers either

just thought I'd throw that out there for ya straight folk

Jordon should put this quote in his sig so no one can ever accuse his cooler-drinking ways of being "gay" again

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

The fact that you believe most of us here are unopen to viewing these things and have not done so. I have done so. I see no benefit it doing so. It terms of my comfort level, let me ask you this. Will you be comfortable with me punching you in the face? I'm sure you will object to the thought...why? Cause it brings you discomfort. Well, psychologically, this does the same thing to me. Do you question why a punch brings you pain? No, you just know biologically you are not adapt to accepting punches to the face willingly. You can explain it in biological terms, but reason philosophically and you're at a lost. Psychologically, it is the same for me.

And by painting us all in one broad brushstroke does imply discrimination. How would you know 4x4 hasn't given this the chance? Seems to me he has seen man on man action, and he does not appreciate it. He's not stupid. I'm sure he has evaluated his thought process and came to the conclusion that he DOESN'T WANT TO SEE THIS ****. Nothing wrong with that.

Hey Bruce, I agree that everyone has the right to choose for themselves what they like to experience. It is kinda like food, I can honestly say that I really don't like brussel sprouts, I have given them an honest chance. Of cpurse i will eat the little *******s when the in-laws come over (they love 'em) but given a chance I prefer not to partake. Does that mean that I am a sproutist? No. Am I ignorant? Maybe. Do I respect the opinion of those who love BS? Sure.

No problem, however there is sometimes value in challenging yourself to experience something uncomfortable.
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[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

Another scary thing is when your hand accidentally comes in contact with another guy's crotch. Like when you're walking and you accidently bump into your friend's crotch. Uh...Of course, this has never ever happened to me, but I have seen this happen to other ppl..and the reaction is always horror screams and running away.

What you do in such a situation is make a fist and pretend you were actually going for a macho hit to hurt, embarass, and burn him.

Crotch-shots are perfectly straight and legal. Crotch bumps/brushes are not.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

too damn funny...


as for the movie, my bf has the hots for Heath Ledger so at least after we go see it he'll have his hormones going:P

I just got back from seeing Narnia at chinook, that's a more conservative crowd! Lots of ppl didn't like the whole hand in hand thing when we walked in and out of the theatre. I guess we ruined the flick for the 4 college aged guys behind us, they spent about 1h45m of the movie whispering "they're holding hands!" "omg" "dude" "ewwwwwwwww" Imagine what they'd do if we were the kind of couple that likes to be overtly affectionate during a movie...

Well, Narnia is the classic Christian-allegory afterall.

[4X4]

Yea...

A pretty lame joke was circulating awhile back

"Whats the capital of Thailand?"

"Bangkok" (while punching friend in the nuts)

Oh... That was almost as funny as "Smells like updog around here"

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I was never taught it was wrong, nor gross, so take your own holier than thou/superior idealism and stuff it.

Meh, I guess I call this BS. I'm sure you'll differ... As far as I'm concerned, 'society' believes, for the most part, that male homosexuality is 'gross'... just because. I'm not suggesting your parents are anti-gay bigots, more so that society as a whole tends to be completely rife with sub/unconscious anti-gay sentiments.

I find a lot of them in this thread. If you're a kid reading this thread (god forbid), you'll read a lot of 'I just don't like it because I think it's gross' statements. The kid picks up on this dominant idea and incorporates it. IMO, at least.

Oh, and stuff yourself.

[MRCboicgy]

No, no, no

I don't drink coolers because I think they are too gay, even for me!

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Meh, I guess I call this BS. I'm sure you'll differ... As far as I'm concerned, 'society' believes, for the most part, that male homosexuality is 'gross'... just because. I'm not suggesting your parents are anti-gay bigots, more so that society as a whole tends to be completely rife with sub/unconscious anti-gay sentiments.

I find a lot of them in this thread. If you're a kid reading this thread (god forbid), you'll read a lot of 'I just don't like it because I think it's gross' statements. The kid picks up on this dominant idea and incorporates it. IMO, at least.

Oh, and stuff yourself.

You never cease to amaze me. You are so enlightened, that it's incomprehensible that someone else thinks fudge packing is gross. Sorry MRC, you'll have to bear with me for a minute.
Agamemnon, get the **** over yourself. You may be just as enlightened as Hakan the gay porn watching straight guy, but this is over the top. What if I were to start licking pavement? What if there were a movement that wanted to give pavement lickers equal rights? What if you thought licking pavement was gross? Would you really sit back while I told you that you were some kind of pre programmed dumass that is negatively affecting children?

****. You guys blow my mind. You really did spend too much time on your knees in front of the prof.

[4X4]

While I'm ranting, I's like to add that you are about the most ignorant person I've ever encountered. From the first time we disagreed, you've never ever shown any hint of objectivity.
You are the epitome of NDPesque "so tolerant - intolerant".

Funniest part about guys like you (and my other nemesis) is that you'll defend people's right to be gay, but you'll crucify people that believe in God. Whats the difference? It's all a personal choice, right?

You guys will call the conservatives "scary" because they are religious. But if someone calls the NDP gay, they are bigots and homophobes.

****. I'm not even going to bother checking this post. Itll fall on deaf ears.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Meh, I guess I call this BS. I'm sure you'll differ... As far as I'm concerned, 'society' believes, for the most part, that male homosexuality is 'gross'... just because. I'm not suggesting your parents are anti-gay bigots, more so that society as a whole tends to be completely rife with sub/unconscious anti-gay sentiments.

I find a lot of them in this thread. If you're a kid reading this thread (god forbid), you'll read a lot of 'I just don't like it because I think it's gross' statements. The kid picks up on this dominant idea and incorporates it. IMO, at least.

Oh, and stuff yourself.

Your a frickin riot.

First YOU suggest that EVERYONE else has been brought up to feel that anyone who sees gay sex is something they don't wish to witness or be exposed to, is homophobic and/or they feel it is wrong/gross or something else even more heinous.

As far as your concerned...or as far as your wanting/limited/young and unexperienced mind knows?? Because it's obvious there is a massive difference between those things.

Get stuffed indeed....another youngster that knows everything, how everyone should think, and should you disagree with his ill-eqquipped thought process....you are a bigot....or trained by a discriminating society that only he and his ilk can see. Thet rest of us are too stupid and absurd to see it.

Same old same old Liberal BS that they have been pulling for years.

You've learned well to follow the doctrine.

Too bad for you that others have learned all to well to ignore the lies and misrepresentations you love to throw in their faces.

What's next? A NOAM CHOMSKY RULES diatribe? LOL.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Your a frickin riot.

First YOU suggest that EVERYONE else has been brought up to feel that anyone who sees gay sex is something they don't wish to witness or be exposed to, is homophobic and/or they feel it is wrong/gross or something else even more heinous.

As far as your concerned...or as far as your wanting/limited/young and unexperienced mind knows?? Because it's obvious there is a massive difference between those things.

Get stuffed indeed....another youngster that knows everything, how everyone should think, and should you disagree with his ill-eqquipped thought process....you are a bigot....or trained by a discriminating society that only he and his ilk can see. Thet rest of us are too stupid and absurd to see it.

Same old same old Liberal BS that they have been pulling for years.

You've learned well to follow the doctrine.

Too bad for you that others have learned all to well to ignore the lies and misrepresentations you love to throw in their faces.

What's next? A NOAM CHOMSKY RULES diatribe? LOL.

And that, folks, is the goods.

Thank you Tranny, you've voiced my sentiments exactly.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Meh, I guess I call this BS. I'm sure you'll differ... As far as I'm concerned, 'society' believes, for the most part, that male homosexuality is 'gross'... just because. I'm not suggesting your parents are anti-gay bigots, more so that society as a whole tends to be completely rife with sub/unconscious anti-gay sentiments.

I find a lot of them in this thread. If you're a kid reading this thread (god forbid), you'll read a lot of 'I just don't like it because I think it's gross' statements. The kid picks up on this dominant idea and incorporates it. IMO, at least.

I agree with what you are saying about society, but I must add myself to the list of people who doesn't like to watch gay men make out or more. I'm simply not attracted to men, and men being sexual with each other, I find unattractive. I fully support their right to do so, I just don't want to watch.

Having said that, I would watch this movie if it's supposed to be good. I'm sure there's a lot more to it then 2 guys gettin it on.

edit: Just about a little trend I've noticed here lately. A lot of poster like to bring age into their arguments (or lack of argument). Do you guys think your posts are any more valid by calling other people young? Do your thoughts not have enough merit to stand on their own, without saying things about the people you are arguing with?

[4X4]

Well, Windsor... If you think that is bad, wait'll you grow up and clue in to what's really being said here.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Hey Bruce, I agree that everyone has the right to choose for themselves what they like to experience. It is kinda like food, I can honestly say that I really don't like brussel sprouts, I have given them an honest chance. Of cpurse i will eat the little *******s when the in-laws come over (they love 'em) but given a chance I prefer not to partake. Does that mean that I am a sproutist? No. Am I ignorant? Maybe. Do I respect the opinion of those who love BS? Sure.

No problem, however there is sometimes value in challenging yourself to experience something uncomfortable.

I fully understand where you are coming from. And honestly, I do appreciate what you have said. I will politely add that this is solely based on my own opinion, and I am of the opinion that this adds no value to me. Sure, the in-laws analogy is quite valid, but my approach would be vastly different from yours. I think we are all capable of handling different situations differently. In my case, I would politely decline the brussel sprouts. I would ensure them that it is nothing in regards to their cooking, but just my preference for certain vegetation. I think this can be handle in a diplomatic way without upsetting them.

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This whole debate to me seems strange. Are we subcribing to an absolute here? By saying that if we do not open our minds and give 2 guys having sex with each other a chance means that we are a) not open minded, b) a child/teenager who groupthinks, c) not educated, to me seems strange. If we are subcribing to an absolute, then everyone's experience will be the same. We are, therefore, saying that every man's discomfort in seeing this is wrong and unenlightened, not abiding by the principles of liberal thinking.

Sounds like societal thinking to me.

If you haven't notice, our society has moved towards a more liberal stance. It is now unacceptable to feel uncomfortable in viewing 2 men have sex. Ironic isn't it?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Bruce,

Personally, I make no judgement about the the fact that X makes them uncomfortable (X can be gay sex, brussel sprouts, Edmonton or the tele-tubbies).

However, I do think that it is important to consider how people react to things that make them uncomfortable. If I avoid an amazing experience, because it has a little X in it, I'm poorer for it, but it doesn't really affect anyone but myself.

When I start disrespecting others b/c they like X or don't like X, that is different.
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[Hack&Lube]

There's another set pic of Ang Lee and his Flames hat on Roger Ebert's page

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...OPLE/512110306

Odd how I feel so much pride for this film's Alberta production, and Ang Lee's love of the Flames, yet I probably will never see it.

[mykalberta]

Most likely the movie is well done for the heebee jeeby artsy crowd. Adding the currently taboo subject of male/male pornography just adds to its flavour among (as DC would say) pinkos crowd.

Put it this way, if you replaced one of the dudes with a girl, would the movie be as good or even being talked about, if your answer is no then its pinko crap and nothing else.

MYK

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Most likely the movie is well done for the heebee jeeby artsy crowd. Adding the currently taboo subject of male/male pornography just adds to its flavour among (as DC would say) pinkos crowd.

Put it this way, if you replaced one of the dudes with a girl, would the movie be as good or even being talked about, if your answer is no then its pinko crap and nothing else.

MYK

"Brokeback Mountain" has been described as "a gay cowboy movie," which is a cruel simplification. It is the story of a time and place where two men are forced to deny the only great passion either one will ever feel. Their tragedy is universal. It could be about two women, or lovers from different religious or ethnic groups -- any "forbidden" love." - Roger Ebert.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/.../51019006/1023

Ang Lee himself thought this movie might be confined to the art house crowd and has expressed surprise its been so widely accepted . . . . and, truthfully, most critics are placing it in the mainstream as a classic love story/tragedy and one that is grandly told.

More to your point, critics/analysts are trying to decide if "America is ready" to see a fairly classic and normal love story, in most respects, where the only quirk is that the two principal characters happen to be of the same gender.

On CNN last night, I did see a "former homosexual" who believes homosexual tendencies are learned and not inherited, ripping the movie as Gay Propoganda. He also said it promotes adultery which his family values perspective didn't like. And then, if I remember right, he added it was a very well told story.

Cowperson

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Most likely the movie is well done for the heebee jeeby artsy crowd. Adding the currently taboo subject of male/male pornography just adds to its flavour among (as DC would say) pinkos crowd.

Put it this way, if you replaced one of the dudes with a girl, would the movie be as good or even being talked about, if your answer is no then its pinko crap and nothing else.

MYK

What theatre did you see it in?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Put it this way, if you replaced one of the dudes with a girl, would the movie be as good or even being talked about, if your answer is no then its pinko crap and nothing else.
MYK

No but I think that it isn't that simple. If you swapped one of the guys for a white-bread chick the movie certainly couldn't be as powerful, not becasue you lost the queer factor but the angle of forbiddeness.

MAYBE if you replaced the guy with a girl of a different 'race' or religion you may have something that would work. Like Roger E. said, this is a primarily a story about forbidden love, perhaps more than about homosexuality.

Homosexuality is just the type of relationship the characters experience. I think that you could swap out the pinko for something else, but, I can't think of a type of another type relationship that is forbidden in a similar way (in our culture).
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