Joe Rogan cancellation watch

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

It’s like you fully missed the point.

I’m not talking about a comedian making a set. I’m talking about a person who happens to be a comedian recounting a story in which he compared black people to apes, used the n word numerous times, and then encouraged a rapist.

These are not the same things.

Just because it's not on stage doesn't mean it's not a bit.

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Remember when "anti-vax" used to be the tiniest of fringe groups that EVERYONE made fun of and generally regarded them as crazy Karens?

Everyone made fun of them, including Joe Rogan.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Remember when if you didn't like something or agree with something you read or listened to you could just stop reading it or listening to it and move on with your life?

No. No I don’t remember people ever being like that.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Just because it's not on stage doesn't mean it's not a bit.

I think you really need to reflect on why you’re defending off the cuff racism so strongly.

[PeteMoss]

To be honest - besides people grasping on to cancel culture as a thing - not even sure why anyone thinks this is new.

People complaining about comedians crossing the line is not new. Andrew Dice Clay, Eddie Murphy, Lenny Bruce, etc, etc.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

What is there to talk about? This is nothing new. You've always been free to make whatever choices you want. Your employer is free to keep you employed or not. It's not like this sprung up out of the ground a few weeks ago. It's been status quo for decades.

As with and in all things, you are free to make the 'choice' you want to make, but you MUST deal with the consequences of it. Being 'free' doesn't mean you get to make consequence free choices. It never has.

It's not the employee making the choice, if they have remained consistent in the state of their being throughout their employment. It is the employer making a choice to change the nature of their employment.

That would normally invoke certain right on behalf of the employed because they are not instigating the change. How is this not unusual? A lot of people have been set adrift, many of them in positions in which they were not a threat to anybody (remote jobs for instance).

In situations like that, it is a political stance on behalf of the employer that is causing the termination of the employee, if health and safety are not a concern. The mandates are chalk full of grey areas.

edit : sorry, this is off topic

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I think you really need to reflect on why you’re defending off the cuff racism so strongly.

I'm not. I'm defending comedy. We can sit here all day and find clips of comedians saying extremely horrific stuff, on and off stage. You get to decide what you do or don't find funny, you don't get to decide whether or not it's a joke or if they meant it.

Did you support the Human Rights Tribunal taking a comedian to court over a bad joke?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The Western Standard, Ezra Levant and Rebel News are all the same umbrella, are they not? They are renowned for their constant nonsensical drivel. And the trucker issue was a direct result of Trudeau adding the mandate, and then revoking it, and then adding it again, all in a one week span. Trudeau broke the camel's back.

You are making a lot of connections where there are none, and it allows conclusions that are simply not true by using the connection to make generalizations.

Half of programming on MSNBC, CBC, FOX and CNN are all opinion pieces. Joe Rogan is almost entirely opinion programming and has enough reach to be in the same conversation. So he has more in common with current 'traditional' news sources than any fringe element in the public discourse.

I could argue that almost all media sources have devolved into a monster that is nibbling away at democracy, but we have to work within the system that is available to us.

Have you read or listened to them? Their reports are full of lies and misinformation on vaccines and covid. To compare them to something like the CBC is ridiculous. They have zero credibility, and should not be permitted to operate in this country. To pretend like they do not hold a large amonut of responsibility as to what is going on in Canada is to ignore reality. Listen to the protestors, and they will all tell you mainstream media is the ones who are liars. Ezra is providing material support to the border protests through his "media" company. I'm not sure if you are just naive to reality here? You really believe it is not an issue?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Have you read or listened to them? Their reports are full of lies and misinformation on vaccines and covid. To compare them to something like the CBC is ridiculous. They have zero credibility, and should not be permitted to operate in this country. To pretend like they do not hold a large amonut of responsibility as to what is going on in Canada is to ignore reality. Listen to the protestors, and they will all tel you mainstream media is the ones who are liars. Ezra is providing material support to the border protests through his "media" company. I'm not sure if you are just naive to reality here? You really believe it is not an issue?

I've hated Levant for decades. You are right about what you just said here. He also is not in the same category as Joe Rogan, and they shouldn't be grouped together.

I wasn't grouping Rebel and CBC, but CBC and CNN/FOX/MSNBC as having similar formats that blend too much opinion, which pushes them into the sphere of Rogan, who is all opinion.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'm not. I'm defending comedy. We can sit here all day and find clips of comedians saying extremely horrific stuff, on and off stage. You get to decide what you do or don't find funny, you don't get to decide whether or not it's a joke or if they meant it.

Did you support the Human Rights Tribunal taking a comedian to court over a bad joke?

No matter which way you’re spinning it you’re defending racism.

And if you want to go the comedy route, there’s a common understanding with comedians that you don’t punch down. Show me a white comedian calling black people apes without any significant backlash.

With your logic the outburst that Micheal Richard’s had on stage is fully appropriate because he’s a comedian.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

No matter which way you’re spinning it you’re defending racism.

And if you want to go the comedy route, there’s a common understanding with comedians that you don’t punch down. Show me a white comedian calling black people apes without any significant backlash.

With your logic the outburst that Micheal Richard’s had on stage is fully appropriate because he’s a comedian.

The obvious difference being that even he immediately said that wasn't part of the comedy

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by btimbit

The obvious difference being that even he immediately said that wasn't part of the comedy

So if he doubled down and said “Oh it was just part of my routine” you’d be fine with it?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Have you read or listened to them? Their reports are full of lies and misinformation on vaccines and covid. To compare them to something like the CBC is ridiculous. They have zero credibility, and should not be permitted to operate in this country. To pretend like they do not hold a large amonut of responsibility as to what is going on in Canada is to ignore reality. Listen to the protestors, and they will all tell you mainstream media is the ones who are liars. Ezra is providing material support to the border protests through his "media" company. I'm not sure if you are just naive to reality here? You really believe it is not an issue?

What do you propose as a governing body for deciding what should and should not be permitted to operate as media in this country?

There will always be underground news and publications and the only difference between now and 20 years ago is that access is much easier.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

So if he doubled down and said “Oh it was just part of my routine” you’d be fine with it?

We can 'what if' ourselves to death if that's really what you're interested in doing

I'll ask again, did you support the Human Rights Tribunal taking a comedian to court over a bad joke?

Do people think Bill Burr's podcast should be removed from the air because of all the times he's used the N word too? Or does he get a pass because he's a lefty?

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It's not the employee making the choice, if they have remained consistent in the state of their being throughout their employment. It is the employer making a choice to change the nature of their employment.

That would normally invoke certain right on behalf of the employed because they are not instigating the change. How is this not unusual? A lot of people have been set adrift, many of them in positions in which they were not a threat to anybody (remote jobs for instance).

In situations like that, it is a political stance on behalf of the employer that is causing the termination of the employee, if health and safety are not a concern. The mandates are chalk full of grey areas.

edit : sorry, this is off topic

So you are arguing that once hired, a position that that person is hired for should never, ever change, no matter what the business demands are?

It is far from unusual, especially in this fast-paced world of technology, for a business model to change and the employees have always had the choice to adapt or quit (or be fired for choosing not to adapt).

And just because a person may not be a 'threat' at that time (WFH) what happens when the situation changes (Everyone back to the office). At best, the issue is pushed further down the road. A smart company is looking further down the road and gives employees time to make the choice.

There is a world of difference between getting an email on Friday afternoon saying "We're back in the office on Monday, everyone. If you aren't vacc'ed, you are suspended pending termination." and "We're phasing in back to the office, our goal is to have everyone back in in 2 months. Our office is now a vacc-mandatory site, please have your vacc's up to date and provide proof on your first day back."

Employees do not have a 'right' to be employed. There are certain rights employees have that they can't be fired over, but vaccination status is not one of them. I don't see where or how this is not understood.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Thank goodness the posters who believe the nazi’s did some good things and call people with different skin “colored folks” have arrived in this thread to wax poetic on modern life and cancel culture. Hard to imagine what this thread would have been like without their nuanced and highly intelligent opinions on social issues.

Back from your break I see. Still can’t resist the endorphin hit of those Thanks you get for taking personal shots at other posters. It’s a cheap kind of pleasure, but to a thirsty man in the desert…

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by btimbit

We can 'what if' ourselves to death if that's really what you're interested in doing

I'll ask again, did you support the Human Rights Tribunal taking a comedian to court over a bad joke?

Do people think Bill Burr's podcast should be removed from the air because of all the times he's used the N word too? Or does he get a pass because he's a lefty?

You’re strawmaning right now. I asked a very fair question, that is if Michael Richard’s didn’t admit he was in the wrong you’d defend his outburst as comedy?

This isn’t a discussion on Bill Burr and this is about a lot more than Joe saying the N word.

Just because you are a comedian does not make you exempt from causing harm.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What do you propose as a governing body for deciding what should and should not be permitted to operate as media in this country?

There will always be underground news and publications and the only difference between now and 20 years ago is that access is much easier.

I don't know how you fix it, but it is a massive problem. And as you say, it has always existed as fringe pamphlets and stuff like that, but now it is able to spread to anyone instantly. The game has changed, and we need laws to keep up with that if we want to maintain our democracy.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by GGG

This guy distributed misinformation on Covid resulting in lower vaccination rates which has resulted in increased deaths from Covid. Now should people believe Rogan as a source, obviously not, but his actions have consequences.

So if artists decide to take a stand and pull their music because they don’t want to be associated with him that is a reasonable position and if Spotify decides that these artists offer more value then Rogan does that is a business decision.

This isn’t about a random comedy special 15 years ago. This guy is actively disseminating misinformation. Why shouldn’t there be consequences for that. This isn’t the “Angry woke mob” coming for him, he is not a victim.

Couldn't disagree more.

The guy has had, what, nearly a thousand? different guests. Imagine if every artist threw a temper tantrum and pulled out of a platform because they didn't like or agree with what was being said.

There's plenty of instances of Rogan insulting Donald Trump, speaking poorly of religious people, talking about drug use, promoting meat eating, talking about how stupid and lazy americans are etc etc. No one threw a public fit.


Its such a silly idea; that the health opinion expressed by an MMA commentator and comedian's talk show would rile up free thinking artists and the public. It's not like Rogan is talking about the benefits of hate crime.

Even if an artist has the legal right pull their music, does that mean it's reasonable? Did Neil Young pull his albums out of HMV when you could walk over the the next isle and purchase Nokturnal Mortum? Or Immortal Technique rapping absolutely filthy, government conspiracy (but totally dope) lines?

Nah, its 2022 and we have people doing everything they can to support censorship. WANTING the suppression of an individuals opinion because its misinformed? Yikes.

No ones clapping along in support when his guests correct Rogan's understandings or tell him outright he's wrong and to get the vaccine. No, instead, it's the disagreeable content that means he's a menace to the free-thinking society.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GGG

This isn’t about a random comedy special 15 years ago. This guy is actively disseminating misinformation. Why shouldn’t there be consequences for that. This isn’t the “Angry woke mob” coming for him, he is not a victim.

But you're clearly wrong about this. The vaccination misinformation would be a perfectly reasonable basis for removing him, but apparently that isn't seen as enough to get him taken off the air... So instead, there is instead an attempt to get him removed for things he's said a long time ago, which is precisely the "angry woke mob" modus operandi for getting rid of someone you don't like. In this case, there's a very good reason to dislike him and to want him to stop spewing bull####, but that's completely beside the point. Accusations of racism or bigotry shouldn't be used as a weapon to take out people who express political views you have a problem with - full stop.

Rogan is very stupid and has done a lot of damage, especially with regard to COVID, but I'm pretty much never on the side of the ends justifying the means on these things.