11-16-2021, 12:38 PM
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#101
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Location: On your last nerve...:D
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Originally Posted by Tron_fdc
Just drove from Fernie to Calgary. Roads are totally fine, save the detour on Dicken road, which barely takes any time off at all. Little to no traffic as well, roads are dry (windy around Okotoks) and maybe a little snow on "the pass" by Maycroft. Smooth sailing.
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That is a little bit of good news in the mess of all of this.
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11-16-2021, 12:41 PM
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#102
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I was looking at some of the hydrometric data for streams around BC and there are a couple around Abbotsford that are at historic highs and still climbing. Even though it is sunny today, there is going to be some lag in the watershed.
I don't know if climate change is the issue, but I suspect it plays a role. I think the bigger issue is the increase area of impermeable surfaces in the LML and Fraser Valley. There has been so much development in the past 15 years and I don't think the terrain can handle it any more.
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11-16-2021, 12:43 PM
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#103
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11-16-2021, 12:49 PM
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#104
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I was looking at some of the hydrometric data for streams around BC and there are a couple around Abbotsford that are at historic highs and still climbing. Even though it is sunny today, there is going to be some lag in the watershed.
I don't know if climate change is the issue, but I suspect it plays a role. I think the bigger issue is the increase area of impermeable surfaces in the LML and Fraser Valley. There has been so much development in the past 15 years and I don't think the terrain can handle it any more.
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The reality is the entire area is a flood plain. Why is the soil so fertile and good for crops? Because for thousands of years sediments got deposited through flooding events like this.
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11-16-2021, 12:54 PM
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Yeah I'm full on beleiving the intensity of this was at least in part due to climate change, but much of the Lower Mainland is a flood plain through and through. I do think that development has reduced the capacity to intake such floods though, and waterlogging is going to be an issue going forward.
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11-16-2021, 12:58 PM
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#106
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https://www.theprogress.com/communit...in-chilliwack/
More pics at the link.
Interestingly this story discusses an 1894 flood and mentions the Mission gauge reading of 25.75 feet, which is 7.84m. I took a look, and the peak was ~5.5m earlier today. Now, I know you can in no way directly compare them, given all the development now, river changes etc. But it's certainly possible that was a bigger event. In 1948 it was said to be measured at 7.6m(though it doesn't specifically say the Mission gauge.)
https://wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/report/...ml?stn=08MH024
Anyway, always find it interesting to look at the historical context of these events, and how little we learn. Presumably we've just decided to accept these things occasionally.
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11-16-2021, 12:58 PM
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#107
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First its on fire and now its underwater....
Pick a lane BC!
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11-16-2021, 01:06 PM
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#108
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Locke
First its on fire and now its underwater....
Pick a lane BC!
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I saw a Twitter post yesterday that said southern BC has 2 seasons: On fire and Noah's Arc. Thought it was pretty funny.
Just waiting for the earthquake any second now.
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11-16-2021, 01:11 PM
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#109
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I saw a Twitter post yesterday that said southern BC has 2 seasons: On fire and Noah's Arc. Thought it was pretty funny.
Just waiting for the earthquake any second now.
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Yeah once the Earthquake is done then the Volcanoes can go off...thats where you get the real Fire and Brimstone.
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11-16-2021, 01:12 PM
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#110
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
The reality is the entire area is a flood plain. Why is the soil so fertile and good for crops? Because for thousands of years sediments got deposited through flooding events like this.
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Totally. It sucks for the people, but let’s be honest...it’s a flood plain for a reason. Because it floods. And that’s good, it’s supposed to do that.
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11-16-2021, 01:12 PM
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#111
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
https://www.theprogress.com/communit...in-chilliwack/
More pics at the link.
Interestingly this story discusses an 1894 flood and mentions the Mission gauge reading of 25.75 feet, which is 7.84m. I took a look, and the peak was ~5.5m earlier today. Now, I know you can in no way directly compare them, given all the development now, river changes etc. But it's certainly possible that was a bigger event. In 1948 it was said to be measured at 7.6m(though it doesn't specifically say the Mission gauge.)
https://wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/report/...ml?stn=08MH024
Anyway, always find it interesting to look at the historical context of these events, and how little we learn. Presumably we've just decided to accept these things occasionally.
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But that's unfortunately how we are. I took University classes (quite a few years back, unfortunately) where we would discuss and agree that things like building on the floodplain was foolish and we should stop. And what's happened since? Well, we continue right along doing dumb things.
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11-16-2021, 01:16 PM
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#112
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Originally Posted by Locke
First its on fire and now its underwater....
Pick a lane BC!
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We overcompensated!
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11-16-2021, 02:32 PM
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#113
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Calgary
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This just out from Kindersley transport:
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11-16-2021, 02:38 PM
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#114
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Location: Calgary
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11-16-2021, 02:53 PM
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#115
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Join Date: Mar 2015
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11-16-2021, 03:14 PM
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#117
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
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They'll likely have it in some sort of reduced capacity operation within a month or two, shuffling traffic from one side to the other depending on the damage. How long was HWY 1 out at Canmore during the 2013 floods?
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11-16-2021, 03:18 PM
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#118
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So much commercial shipping goes over the Coquihalla.
Is it possible to get to Calgary-Kamloops at this time, then take Trans Canada to LML?
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11-16-2021, 03:19 PM
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#119
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
They'll likely have it in some sort of reduced capacity operation within a month or two, shuffling traffic from one side to the other depending on the damage. How long was HWY 1 out at Canmore during the 2013 floods?
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Canmore was one fairly short stretch, and no bridge structures (if I recall correctly).
This appears to be multiple stretches, and multiple bridge structures gone. Plus, it will be winter, which makes it much more difficult.
The multiple stretches makes it hard to get to certain sections with equipment until you fix other areas first.
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11-16-2021, 03:21 PM
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#120
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Canmore was one fairly short stretch, and no bridge structures (if I recall correctly).
This appears to be multiple stretches, and multiple bridge structures gone. Plus, it will be winter, which makes it much more difficult.
The multiple stretches makes it hard to get to certain sections with equipment until you fix other areas first.
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And both sides of the road. Wasn't the Canmore on mostly one side of the highway?
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