10-14-2021, 04:27 PM
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#101
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
Well in general NHL forwards peak earlier offensively than fans think they do.
I have a theory that sons of former NHLers peak even earlier for what I feel are obvious reasons.
Going to be tough for any Canadian team to compete with states that have no income tax. It's better than it was pre-cap.
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Peak is a funny term though. I think wrong.
Kids join the league. Score like crazy. Then realize they don’t win that way and score less.
Are they declining? Hell no. Your team will win when the chosen ones score 30 less points but give up far fewer chances and goals.
That’s maturing. Not ‘peaking’.
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10-14-2021, 04:29 PM
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#102
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
I meant both Tkachuks are more than just points
Matt may not hit as much but he brings other bull#### stuff….good or bad depends on your taste lol
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Ah gotcha. Agreed. Brady hits unlike any top 6 guy I can remember. It’s staggering actually.
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10-14-2021, 04:43 PM
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#103
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Uhhhh no.
248 vs. 132 last season
303 vs. 122 the season before.
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one also plays on a team that never has the puck...and hit stats vary from place to place. Dome is notoriously a hard place to get credit for a hit.
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10-14-2021, 04:51 PM
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#104
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
This was predicted when the latest CBA was reached. It has taken a while to play out, but the NHL is moving to an NBA type salary structure where the stars bank big $$$ and everyone else fights over the scraps. I do wonder how the NHLPA feels about this evolution. The stars are greatly outnumbered, but they might have outsized clout.
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I'm not sure why the nhlpa should care as long as they get their share of the pie. They can't control how GM's spend their money and fact is the stars deserve to make way more and paying them for what they are doing/will do makes way more sense then paying them for what they used to do.
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10-14-2021, 04:53 PM
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#105
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
one also plays on a team that never has the puck...and hit stats vary from place to place. Dome is notoriously a hard place to get credit for a hit.
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Unfortunately due to my location I catch a lot of these games. The guy is all over the ice clobbering people. He’s quick and mean.
The numbers aren’t a miscount.
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10-14-2021, 04:53 PM
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#106
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheoFleury
I'm not sure why the nhlpa should care as long as they get their share of the pie. They can't control how GM's spend their money and fact is the stars deserve to make way more and paying them for what they are doing/will do makes way more sense then paying them for what they used to do.
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Well, I don’t know about “should”, but I’d wager every player rep from every team is in his UFA years, not RFA.
ETA: Looked it up. Mostly they are. An exception - Brady is the player rep from Ottawa and Matt is the alternate rep for Calgary (Backlund is the rep).
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10-14-2021, 05:18 PM
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#107
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Unfortunately due to my location I catch a lot of these games. The guy is all over the ice clobbering people. He’s quick and mean.
The numbers aren’t a miscount.
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Just saying, grain of salt when comparing head to head. Flames despite their poor record last year have really good possession numbers. Especially Tkachuk's line. Sens chase it a lot which is normal for a rebuilding team.
Matt can also throw a hit, ask Kassian
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10-14-2021, 08:57 PM
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#108
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Just saying, grain of salt when comparing head to head. Flames despite their poor record last year have really good possession numbers. Especially Tkachuk's line. Sens chase it a lot which is normal for a rebuilding team.
Matt can also throw a hit, ask Kassian 
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Brady's hits would take a big hit on a good team for sure. But wow, what a specimen at this point. He better hope for his longevity that Ottawa figures out how to start controlling games. That kind of play style will physically destroy him over time
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10-14-2021, 09:01 PM
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#109
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damn onions
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This will end up being a bad contract. He’s not as good as Matt, or as good as people think he is.
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10-14-2021, 09:12 PM
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#110
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
This will end up being a bad contract. He’s not as good as Matt, or as good as people think he is.
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Why? Even if Brady is what he is, he's probably only a million or so overpaid right now. 7 years is a long time. Salaries for good players keep going up. Not alot of risk here unless he breaks down under the stress of his play style
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10-14-2021, 09:18 PM
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#111
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois
Peak is a funny term though. I think wrong.
Kids join the league. Score like crazy. Then realize they don’t win that way and score less.
Are they declining? Hell no. Your team will win when the chosen ones score 30 less points but give up far fewer chances and goals.
That’s maturing. Not ‘peaking’.
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100 point Crosby is better than 120 point Crosby. Also a lot less whiny.
Same goes for Ovechkin.
However, when McDavid gets past his offensive peak, the Oiler fans will have a lot less to be excited over. They have nothing in life going for them other than McDavid's point totals. And he may have already hit a career high in terms of point per game production.
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10-14-2021, 09:36 PM
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#112
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Franchise Player
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I would be willing to bet last season is McDavid's best point percentage of his career
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10-15-2021, 07:04 AM
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#113
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
100 point Crosby is better than 120 point Crosby. Also a lot less whiny.
Same goes for Ovechkin.
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That's pretty debatable.
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However, when McDavid gets past his offensive peak, the Oiler fans will have a lot less to be excited over. They have nothing in life going for them other than McDavid's point totals. And he may have already hit a career high in terms of point per game production.
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We aren't talking about McDavid though. We are talking about the Sens signing a guy in his early 20s, scoring at a 50 point pace, to an $8 million dollar per year salary. If Tkachuk is already at his offensive peak this will be a dog of a contract.
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10-15-2021, 07:35 AM
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#114
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First Line Centre
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I’m interested to see how he plays now that he has a fat long term contract and will this give us any insight into how our Tkachuk will play if given the same type of contract. Do they just ramp it up in a contract year to get paid then back off or?
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10-15-2021, 07:46 AM
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#115
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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Horrible contract. The sens beat the leafs and he didn't get a single point, kid was invisible!
I think the sens will surprise a lot of people this year and Brady will be a huge reason. They might even attract some decent UFA'S in the future.
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10-15-2021, 09:13 AM
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#116
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois
Peak is a funny term though. I think wrong.
Kids join the league. Score like crazy. Then realize they don’t win that way and score less.
Are they declining? Hell no. Your team will win when the chosen ones score 30 less points but give up far fewer chances and goals.
That’s maturing. Not ‘peaking’.
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Thing is it's not like Brady can give up 30 points.
This isn't a 100 point forward becoming an 80 points forward due to him becoming more defensively responsible.
Brady is a 50 point per 82 GP forward to this point of his career, who has already been bad defensively.
If he has to drop to a 40 point player to become better defensively then this contract still won't age well at all.
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10-15-2021, 09:19 AM
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#117
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by dino7c
I would be willing to bet last season is McDavid's best point percentage of his career
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Interesting, I think the expectation (By Oiler fans and media) is a three point per game average, and Gretzky becomes a forgotten scrub.
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10-15-2021, 11:39 AM
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#119
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Franchise Player
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There are other players signed to long term contracts around 7 million since 2018 including Kyle Connor, Nico Hischier, Anders Lee, Gabriel Landeskog, Kevin Hayes, JVR, Evander Kane and Clayton Keller.
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10-15-2021, 11:48 AM
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#120
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Self Imposed Retirement
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Calgary
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I think I'm a little surprised Brady Tkachuk got that contract from Ottawa but good for him and it doesn't seem like a big overpayment. He is a good player but Matthew here seems a bit better so I don't think it's a big stretch to say that Matthew will get $10M AAV on his next contract.
As has been mentioned, that's just the way the league is now and both Tkachuk players are right up there as amongst the best in the league.
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