[GDT] Time to get Kraken. Seattle @ Calgary. 7pm MT. calgaryflames.com

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What about Oleksiak's game ranks him above Zadorov? Oleksiak has 72 pts in 369 games, compared to 83 in 411 for Zadorov, and he (JO) is a year older.

Larsson is not better than Andersson. They both had bad seasons last year, but Andersson is 4 years younger and has offensive upside

Larsson had a great year last year and was far better than Andersson.

Look up the Jfresh cards if you want one comparison. Larsson and Oleksiak were much better than Andersson and Zadorov.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What about Oleksiak's game ranks him above Zadorov? Oleksiak has 72 pts in 369 games, compared to 83 in 411 for Zadorov, and he (JO) is a year older.

Larsson is not better than Andersson. They both had bad seasons last year, but Andersson is 4 years younger and has offensive upside

Fine, you can call Zadorov almost = Oleksiak. They’re similar enough that I can’t be bothered to die on that hill. I thought Oleksiak has been noticeable and effective in the playoffs. Analytics support the view. Zadorov’s are good, Oleksiak’s a bit better

Larsson vs Andersson. Eye test and the analytics support for me

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Good question. I view it that there are two Gios.

1. The one who is paired with a partner he can trust, and can play to his potential (He was in the Norris conversation with Brodie as partner)
2. The one paired with an up and coming defender, where Gio tries to play a simpler game, a bit more focus on covering for the lesser partner, and is less effective

Gio with a partner like Tanev or Brodie that he can trust is a beast

Tanev is rock solid and makes his partner better

They kind of play different roles, but slotted optimally, Gio can get to a level Tanev can’t. That’s my view

I'm a Gio fan ... so don't have a problem with that view at all.

But Gio had a rough season with anyone but Tanev.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm a Gio fan ... so don't have a problem with that view at all.

But Gio had a rough season with anyone but Tanev.

Rasmus for whatever reason, tanked every pairing he touched last year after being good for his entire career

By that logic Hanifin also had rough season with anyone but Tanev if that’s how you want to frame it. But really he had a very good season unless paired with Rasmus, as did Gio

Gio with Larsson could be very, very good this year

[tvp2003]

FYI regarding Gio's return to the Dome tonight:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1443327406979252224

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who was William Karlsson before the Golden Knights first season? Vegas roster was not impressive prior to puck drop in 2017. I think Seattle has a nicer looking roster prior to their first season than I thought Vegas did. I highly doubt they have the same luck but their roster looks decent enough to compete for a playoff spot

I disagree, they won't be anywhere near a playoff spot

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by neo45

Rasmus for whatever reason, tanked every pairing he touched last year after being good for his entire career

By that logic Hanifin also had rough season with anyone but Tanev if that’s how you want to frame it. But really he had a very good season unless paired with Rasmus, as did Gio

Gio with Larsson could be very, very good this year

Yeah that's a good point ... Hanifin had better numbers with Andersson than Giordano did, but certainly was pulled down.

Giordano was good with Valimaki in very limited time too.

[DJones]

Tanev was better than Gio last year imo by a fair margin and Gio is another year older. If his foot speed declines anymore could get ugly.

Would like them both but saying Tanev will be better this year doesn't seem like a stretch.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

(Lol. That’s your response to my evidence based observation?)

Well, that must be great, as my posts will meet or exceed your expectations

No. I am still disappointed.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Surely age and contract status factored in

Well yeah, as they did with my assessment

No one is suggesting Giordano hasn't been a much better player than Tnev. But who would you pick going forward?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What about Oleksiak's game ranks him above Zadorov? Oleksiak has 72 pts in 369 games, compared to 83 in 411 for Zadorov, and he (JO) is a year older.

Larsson is not better than Andersson. They both had bad seasons last year, but Andersson is 4 years younger and has offensive upside

Larsson had an extremely good season last year, was one of the top defensive D in the league by most possession metrics. Huge loss for the Oilers IMO.

[Flamesfan05]

Too bad the Krakens really want Gio

I would have given them the 3rd to keep Gio knowing the money was spent on one year of Zadorov and Grud

Yeah Gio old and lost a step but he is not worse than those 2 and his offense has not been replaced

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Larsson had a great year last year and was far better than Andersson.

Look up the Jfresh cards if you want one comparison. Larsson and Oleksiak were much better than Andersson and Zadorov.

Larsson had a better season than Andersson, no question.

However, I expect him to rebound. I would not trade Andersson for Larsson straight-up. No chance.

[Sandman]

I think we all forget just how much we bitched about Gio before he was put with Tanev. Even back to last year.

[Enoch Root]

Oleksiak and Zadorov are very comparable players

[djsFlames]

In a vacuum, Zadorov + Gudbranson << Giordano

However, a seismic shift in the team and locker room was needed because we need other guys to step up and to have the opportunity to see who would if a guy like Gio left.

So while the replacement is underwhelming and will largely be by committee, this is also something that was due and was coming, whether it was last year or this year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Larsson had an extremely good season last year, was one of the top defensive D in the league by most possession metrics. Huge loss for the Oilers IMO.

The Oilers are going to miss him a lot. Would you trade Andersson for him?

[Owen15]

Someone asked, sorry if it’s there but I didn’t see a response.

Will this be streamed on calgaryflames.com?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Which Flame does Gio get into a fight with?

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Which Flame does Gio get into a fight with?

Tkachuk?