[Rumour] UPD: no deals for Flames before expansion draft roster freeze

[Poe969]

Im not clamping to be smrter then Treliving... but in 7 years he's only done better than me once.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You tell me. How many times are people going to blame Brad Treliving for losing a player in the expansion draft?

So you’ll stop saying it after the expansion draft?

[klikitiklik]

Sorry about this rant.


I'm not sure why some people are so willing to blindly defend Treliving and the Flames everytime someone criticizes them. Why can we not criticize him/them? Results have been horrible. One good year and not much else. Yeah it could be worse, but that's not a reason to accept the current state of the team. As a season ticket holder, I am not happy with Treliving.

He's been middle of the road and at times awful. Not much better. He's had 7 years which I believe is 2 too many.

He deserves all the criticism he gets and it is also why people fly off the handle when trades are proposed. Why shouldn't we question everything he does? Why shouldn't people be free to over react? The smartest guy in the room doesn't listen or keep his assistants in the loop(as per Conroy), so he has accepted all the responsibility. He's just not good enough.

I'm not in any way saying I could do better but in terms of head to head vs NHL GMs, he is near the bottom in my opinion.

The buck stops at Treliving. It's his team and he has built it. ALL of the issues this team has and is facing is his doing.

rant over.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Actually, the Flames had this management team in the early 90's:

Doug Risebrough – two years as AGM, had to learn the GM's duties on the job while also serving as head coach
Al Coates – several years in hockey operations but no executive experience
Bill Hay – no hockey management experience at any level

They also had one of the smallest budgets in the league and were constantly losing talent because they couldn't afford to pay good players.

So where exactly is the cut line for being able to have an opinion on what the club should be doing or being able to be critical of the regime in place?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

Sorry about this rant.


I'm not sure why some people are so willing to blindly defend Treliving and the Flames everytime someone criticizes them. Why can we not criticize him/them? Results have been horrible. One good year and not much else. Yeah it could be worse, but that's not a reason to accept the current state of the team. As a season ticket holder, I am not happy with Treliving.

He's been middle of the road and at times awful. Not much better. He's had 7 years which I believe is 2 too many.

He deserves all the criticism he gets and it is also why people fly off the handle when trades are proposed. Why shouldn't we question everything he does? Why shouldn't people be free to over react? The smartest guy in the room doesn't listen or keep his assistants in the loop(as per Conroy), so he has accepted all the responsibility. He's just not good enough.

I'm not in any way saying I could do better but in terms of head to head vs NHL GMs, he is near the bottom in my opinion.

The buck stops at Treliving. It's his team and he has built it. ALL of the issues this team has and is facing is his doing.

rant over.

The Flames deserve every bit of criticism that they get from their fan base.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Im not clamping to be smrter then Treliving... but in 7 years he's only done better than me once.

What?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

What a disappointment.

The result matched my expectations.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So you’ll stop saying it after the expansion draft?

Oh, people will probably go on blaming Treliving for years because the team lost a player.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Im not clamping to be smrter then Treliving... but in 7 years he's only done better than me once.

Please explain to me all the trades you've made, the player contracts you've signed, the drafts you've conducted, the personnel you've hired, and all the other professional hockey management tasks you've done. I want to know what is this stellar standard that Treliving has failed to live up to.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The Flames deserve every bit of criticism that they get from their fan base.

Sorry to be a broken record, but they do not deserve to be criticized for losing a player in the expansion draft. And they do not deserve to be criticized for not having won the draft lottery.

Some criticisms are just stupid no matter whom they are directed at.

[topfiverecords]

Is Jay getting paid by the post?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Is Jay getting paid by the post?

Are people getting paid to insult me?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Sorry to be a broken record, but they do not deserve to be criticized for losing a player in the expansion draft. And they do not deserve to be criticized for not having won the draft lottery.

Some criticisms are just stupid no matter whom they are directed at.

The forum is rampant with this these days. There are a lot of posters here who appear to be incapable of thinking beyond ‘but he’s had seven years!!’

The rabble rousing here is commiserate with ‘they took our jobs’

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Are people getting paid to insult me?

I think that is happening with me too. CPers are getting rich off us man..I think it's that shady Jiri guy.

[DeluxeMoustache]

There is an energy mismatch here

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

There is an energy mismatch here

You got that right.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

Sorry about this rant.


I'm not sure why some people are so willing to blindly defend Treliving and the Flames everytime someone criticizes them. Why can we not criticize him/them? Results have been horrible. One good year and not much else. Yeah it could be worse, but that's not a reason to accept the current state of the team. As a season ticket holder, I am not happy with Treliving.

He's been middle of the road and at times awful. Not much better. He's had 7 years which I believe is 2 too many.

He deserves all the criticism he gets and it is also why people fly off the handle when trades are proposed. Why shouldn't we question everything he does? Why shouldn't people be free to over react? The smartest guy in the room doesn't listen or keep his assistants in the loop(as per Conroy), so he has accepted all the responsibility. He's just not good enough.

I'm not in any way saying I could do better but in terms of head to head vs NHL GMs, he is near the bottom in my opinion.

The buck stops at Treliving. It's his team and he has built it. ALL of the issues this team has and is facing is his doing.

rant over.

He deservces criticism. He was building what many people thought to be a good team with a strong future. Now we have massive doubts. Treliving is the architect and we have a right to complain about what he has done.

What has become incredibly annoying is people turning every little bit of news into something to use as a complaint about Brad Treliviing.

Two teams make a trade and somebody will likely complain that Treliving didn't acquire on of the players in that trade.

Somebody will complain, years after the fact too, that Trelivign didn't draft somebody in the 4th round who turned out to be great.

Somebody will complain that Trelivigin didn't trade Giordano for a king's ransom when comparable trades suggest we'd all be upset with the return. If he did trade Giordano for a mediocre trade people will complain that he didn't get anything worth while. But the'll also complain if Gio is unprotected. They'll complain if he is claimed. If he isn't claimed they'll still complain about Gio being left unprotected even though he gets to stay in Flames silks.

Complain, complain complain. It's making this forum incredibly negative and hard to read.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Im not clamping to be smrter then Treliving... but in 7 years he's only done better than me once.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Well done everyone, you've given me a lot to laugh at today.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Well, I'll give you this: You are much better at not doing Treliving's job than he is at doing it. Why, I bet you've never made a single mistake while working as general manager of an NHL franchise.

I wonder why nobody around the league recognizes your superlative qualifications.

I really dislike appeals to authority, which this board’s most senior members / posters do a lot, with the backdrop of what by far the majority of people would consider failure by this franchise underpinning the comments.

This is a message board, debate the point. Don’t think Treliving has been bad? Suggest why he’s the guy to take us to the promise land with key supporting thoughts. Don’t just say “well are you in the NHL / GM / Coach / etc.?”

So lazy. And frankly, kind of wrong. I actually bet there’s a few posters on this site that could do a straight up better job than BT. BT’s problem is Murray Edwardsitis- pure greed. It’s why they can’t get anything done. God forbid you say anything critical of the Flames or you’ll have dinoc7 follow you around for a few months sniping (who is also often wrong).