Ongoing Residential Schools Tragedy Discussion

[KevanGuy]

Because religious people will sow doubt as a defense.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Because religious people will sow doubt as a defense.

Who on this board are these people?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Because religious people will sow doubt as a defense.

Doubt about what? The existence and location of 215 dead children? There are bodies. They're presumably small enough that they can be identified as children. There's no doubt to be had there. Doubt about the cause of death in each of those 215 cases? There's no need to "sow doubt", because unless I missed it, there's no suggestion that anyone has confirmed the cause of death in any of those cases. So... what are you talking about?

[Huntingwhale]

The more I read about this story, the more disgusted I get. The Catholic church once again proving without a shadow of a doubt that it is the biggest, most abhorrent piece of #### organization in the entire history of humanity.

I can't believe anybody would willingly choose to partake in church "service" after learning not only about this, but years and years of torture, abuse and murdering all in the name of the magical jesus lord. It's disgusting people continue to willingly turn a blind eye and choose to support the church. Give them money. Enroll them in church programs. Enabling at it's finest.

Every residential school grounds should immediately be investigated for human remains. It's not enough to simply point a finger at the church as a whole and call them out. Pointing at an entire organization does absolutely nothing to hold anybody accountable. Individuals need to be held accountable. The historical records of that school and others where these events took place should be pulled and every person who worked there questioned and investigated as parts of these horrific crimes.

It's not often I'm ashamed to be Canadian. But this is one of those times.

[MoneyGuy]

This discovery has disturbed me. Almost nothing disrupts my sleep but I’ve lost sleep over this. It’s a black mark over our wonderful country. I’m horrified.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

The more I read about this story, the more disgusted I get. The Catholic church once again proving without a shadow of a doubt that it is the biggest, most abhorrent piece of #### organization in the entire history of humanity.

I can't believe anybody would willingly choose to partake in church "service" after learning not only about this, but years and years of torture, abuse and murdering all in the name of the magical jesus lord. It's disgusting people continue to willingly turn a blind eye and choose to support the church. Give them money. Enroll them in church programs. Enabling at it's finest.

Every residential school grounds should immediately be investigated for human remains. It's not enough to simply point a finger at the church as a whole and call them out. Pointing at an entire organization does absolutely nothing to hold anybody accountable. Individuals need to be held accountable. The historical records of that school and others where these events took place should be pulled and every person who worked there questioned and investigated as parts of these horrific crimes.

It's not often I'm ashamed to be Canadian. But this is one of those times.

I understand the anger and desire for holding those responsible to account.

But individuals in this case are all most assuredly dead.

If the investigation does indeed point to TB or some other disease as the major contributor to the deaths involved, those things would have happened at least a century ago, give or take 20 years.

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Doubt about what? The existence and location of 215 dead children? There are bodies. They're presumably small enough that they can be identified as children. There's no doubt to be had there. Doubt about the cause of death in each of those 215 cases? There's no need to "sow doubt", because unless I missed it, there's no suggestion that anyone has confirmed the cause of death in any of those cases. So... what are you talking about?

Sow doubt about the cause, like TB or whatever. Deflection, making excuses, etc.

He asked why it's a bad look, I explained why.

[peter12]

Blaming the Catholic Church is such a ####ing dodge. How about blaming yourself a little bit? Everyone who lives here benefits off of the extinction, imprisonment, and torture of Indigenous people.

But waaaah the Catholic Church.

[DionTheDman]

You don't think there's a difference between benefitting from atrocities generations later versus actively participating in cultural genocide and being directly involved with deaths of hundreds while preaching about how civilized you are and how barbaric your victims are?

[KevanGuy]

Aren't you supposed to be the well read one? Wow. An organization that participated in this kind of behavior, amongst other well documented institutional abuses, shouldnt even be allowed to exist in Canada, let alone be defended.

[ResAlien]

Now that’s classic pete. Nice. Don’t take the bait since that’s clearly one of the dumbest things anyone has ever written on this website.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Sow doubt about the cause, like TB or whatever. Deflection, making excuses, etc.

He asked why it's a bad look, I explained why.

Originally Posted by peter12

Blaming the Catholic Church is such a ####ing dodge. How about blaming yourself a little bit? Everyone who lives here benefits off of the extinction, imprisonment, and torture of Indigenous people.

But waaaah the Catholic Church.

The timing of these two posts is something

[KevanGuy]

I regret ever defending his behaviour here when I was a mod and I apologize to all of them - and all of you! Sorry.

[zamler]

Some things would seem to be indefensible yet here we are.

[peter12]

Reconciliation is about taking responsibility in the present. If you don’t think these kinds of injustices are still ongoing across Canada, then that’s on you. But by all means, blame the Catholic Church.

Absolutely shameful.

[KevanGuy]

You aren't at reconciliation, you haven't done the truth part yet. Get over yourself FFS.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

You aren't at reconciliation, you haven't done the truth part yet. Get over yourself FFS.

I’ve worked with Indigenous people almost my entire professional life. I have deep ties with many communities across BC. I think the theatrics and histrionics of some in this thread are done more for selfish reasons than actually trying to address an ongoing injustice.

I’m not Catholic. I’m not religious. I do know many Indigenous people who have faith though.

The Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, the Government of Canada are all coloured with a stain that will never be removed. However, you, as a citizen of this country, have a responsibility too.

[KevanGuy]

Makes your position on this even worse. FU.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Makes your position on this even worse. FU.

Don’t even understand your position except ban the Catholic Church? Okay.

[afc wimbledon]

Doesn't take a vast amount of time to find this out guys.

Many of the government-operated residential schools were run by churches of various denominations, with the majority administered by Roman Catholics. Between 1867 and 1939, the number of schools operating at one time peaked at 80 in 1931. Of those schools, 44 were operated by Roman Catholics; 21 were operated by the Church of England / Anglican Church of Canada; 13 were operated by the United Church of Canada, and 2 were operated by Presbyterians. The approach of using established school facilities set up by missionaries was employed by the federal government for economic expedience: the government provided facilities and maintenance, while the churches provided teachers and their own lesson-planning. As a result, the number of schools per denomination was less a reflection of their presence in the general population, but rather their legacy of missionary work.

So lets be clear, as Peter says, just blaming the Catholic Church is an easy and convenient way to assuage our guilt, 'no worries it was just the catholics and we all know they're a bunch of pedos', it wasn't even just churches in general, hidious abuses happened in the foster care system that replaced residential schools in the 70's and beyond, it was Canada's fault, that doesnt absolve the churches themselves but it is important not to just blame them or this kind of crap will happen all over again.