[News] Sean Monahan done for the season. Needs hip surgery. Will be ready for training camp

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by nik-

The problem is there's always something up.

The problem is he’s not a good skater or very physical. I don’t think the surgery will cure that.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I always worry about a hip injury.

IMO Dion Phaneuf was never the same after he had his hip injuries and surgery.

Went from being decently mobile d-man that could explode into hit, to a guy that looked like he needed help getting around the ice.

Honestly a lot like what Monahan has looked like at times over the last year.

Phaneuf lost a lot of mobility after his hip injuries, which took away a big part of his game (being able to go out of position to make a big hit, and get back into the play). Maybe it does the same to Monahan, but his success isn't really tied to his skating ability/edge work, so hopefully it will affect his game less than Phaneuf.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Phaneuf lost a lot of mobility after his hip injuries, which took away a big part of his game (being able to go out of position to make a big hit, and get back into the play). Maybe it does the same to Monahan, but his success isn't really tied to his skating ability/edge work, so hopefully it will affect his game less than Phaneuf.

Well let’s be clear here, Dion was never getting back into the play after hit hunting. But his hips certainly led to hit being a complete pylon quite quickly.

[Sainters7]

So many surgeries, feel bad for the guy. I can't imagine him still playing in this league into his 30s

[GioforPM]

Hot takes left right and centre here.

Monahan floats outside the tough areas? Nah. His highlight reel may be high slot shots but he still hands out in the middle and he still has defenders on his constantly. And he goes behind the net and to the corners a fair bit too.

Monahan doesn’t fight when Gaudreau gets slashed? As opposed to all the fights Lindholm gets into when Chuckie is in a scrum, or now with Gaudreau on his line? Or all Backlund’s fights? Or Ryan’s? Here’s what would happen. Gaudreau gets slashed, Monahan fights, loses badly because he’s not a fighter, other team gets a boost.

And no, he’s not terrible defensively, in fact, IMO he’s been pretty good this year. And IMO while the first the line change with Dube and Mangiapane had promise, the reversion to Ritchie on that line put him in exactly the same position as when he was with Gaudreau and Ritchie, except Mangiapane isn’t quite as creative (though better at some other things) and he had no history to rely on with him. In other words, Gaudreau got a better centre and a much much better RW, Monahan got at best an equivalent LW and the same crappy RW.

I’m a little surprised it’s a hip, but it maybe makes some sense. If it was wrists, why was he still good at FOs? His main issue was he wasn’t getting his shot off quickly and it was being deflected a lot. So maybe he wasn’t able to twist into shooting position as fast.

[DomeFoam]

I think we're rushing to bet that Monahan will bounce back next season. It's entirely possible that a combination of Gaudreau getting traded this offseason, the likelihood of another injury at game #30 next year and a lower scoring Sutter coached team will only further thwart his production and value further down the drain.

At what point do you cut your losses and squeeze the value of the player at 2 seasons removed from 30 goals as opposed to a possibility that becomes 3 seasons removed next year?

If and especially if Gaudreau goes I think you have to send Monahan subsequently as a significant amount of his value was attached to his chemistry with Gaudreau at the peak of his best years.

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by New Era

Anyone questioning Sean Monahan's commitment to this team or the game can officially STFU. The results, okay, but this injury clearly impacts the results and explains a lot. Hoping for a quick recovery and return to form.

He was still a viable bottom 6 player at whatever % he was playing at. Better than whatever the alternative was.

Says a lot #1 about our depth, #2 Money’s pain tolerance and #3 his commitment to this team.

I don’t understand why we get a hate on for our players, but I’m still a fan and hope he come back next year and lights it up.

[Spike Man]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Any idea on the track record for players coming back from hip surgery?

Is there a track record for recovery?


Did the Flames management prevent Monahan from shutting it down early?

It is going to be a quick short summer.

FWIW Brayden Point had both hips operated on last summer.

[Gugstanley]

He probably should have been shut down sooner.
I would really like to hear Sutter's assessment of the team now that he has been around for a while.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I will be stunned if there aren't changes, this just means that perhaps there is lower probability that Monahan is one of those names being moved.
But let's face it - moving core players is not done frequently. So if people are expecting all of Johnny, Tkachuk and Sean to be moved that's probably too extreme.

I suspect there is a very high probability that Johnny gets move and that will represent the big thing this off-season.

If they do take a run at Eichel that changes my POV. That would involve more pieces obviously.

Amongst the 3 i would peg it as follows, in terms of probability of being traded:

Johnny: 65%
Tkachuk: 30%
Monahan: 15%

In your dreams Jiri, Gaudreau isn't going anywhere. I would actually reverse Johnny and Chucky for percentages there.

[FanIn80]

Is there any part of the game that isn't impacted by a hip injury?

- speed
- mobility
- core
- shooting
- passing
- drive (depending on the pain level)
- willingness (depending on risk of further injury)
- confidence (from literally every single thing mentioned)

[Always Earned Never Given]

Hips are part of your core. Power and precision is generated by your core. In all sports it's generated by pushing off the ground.

I would suspect that for Monahan it would be more his left hip which drives down when shooting.

It would explain his last shoot out attempt (march 7th) where he completely missed the net plus. Seriously before that, when was the last time he missed the net?

He will be motivated and I am looking forward Monahan 5.0.

[CliffFletcher]

In light of the injuries, it might be off-base to question Monahan’s toughness. But the fact remains he’s a one-dimensional player who can’t carry the puck, win board battles, or backcheck. Getting healthy might restore his scoring touch, but it won’t turn him into a reliable, two-way NHL centre. His value - to the Flames or any team he gets moved to - will reflect those limitations.

[Flame On]

Have been extremely hard on Monahan all year. But willing to see what happens after the hip surgery. It actually explains a fair bit. There were several times, when even his usual strength of high slot wristing wasn't working. And I would watch and think "why is he taking so long to turn and telegraphing everything". So maybe that stuff will improve which would be great.
I think it's fair to say he's no Holmstrom but then who is. His compete level has never been something I've questioned, just his creativity and maybe this has been a factor in that.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
.@MFradiology Injury Update: Sean Monahan will not play the remaining four games of the season. He is scheduled for hip surgery next week and will be ready for full participation at training camp.

[rogermexico]

Backlund was similarly injury prone for the first stretch of his career, and it wasn't until he was 26 in the 2015/16 that he started putting in full seasons. So while Monahan's durability is definitely a concern, we do have an example right here at home of a player that overcame that fragility.

[GioforPM]

FWIW:

https://ontheshelf.ca/2021/01/20/nhl...v-hip-surgery/

One report says that you can make recovery harder if you wait and play on the injury too much so hopefully that hasn’t happened here. Also, the older the player the harder it is. Monahan is right in the middle of the age stats.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by rogermexico

Backlund was similarly injury prone for the first stretch of his career, and it wasn't until he was 26 in the 2015/16 that he started putting in full seasons. So while Monahan's durability is definitely a concern, we do have an example right here at home of a player that overcame that fragility.

I'm never been a fan of using the outlier to prove the premise.

Guys who get injured a lot early generally get injured a lot later. Especially when those injuries are such that they weaken you in a particular area.

[GioforPM]

Others: Krejci had hip surgery in 2016. Played 82 games the next year and had a career year at 32 3 years later. Benn had hip surgery in 2015 and had his career year the following season (mind you, the year he had bad hips he was really good too). Pasternak had surgery last year and was PPG this year (which actually is a bit down from before).

OTOH, Kucherov missed all of this season. Seguin only played 3 games.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I'm never been a fan of using the outlier to prove the premise.

Guys who get injured a lot early generally get injured a lot later. Especially when those injuries are such that they weaken you in a particular area.

There is really not a lot of science to this assertion. It is highly dependant on the injury. Sure, a guy can have recurring problems in a particular area. They can have knee problems or concussion problems. But to my knowledge, none of Monahan’s previous injuries were hip related. He’s previously had wrist surgery IIRC.

And to the Backlund statement, I think the point was that a lot of people said he was injury prone (despite the fact that his injuries were never in the same area), and they were just wrong.