Brad Treliving needs to go

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by rooster

Oh man that's brilliant!! Shut the #### up!

You're still here?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Tre has too much class to tell us what is going on with the coaching hires.

But there was a good thread on it when Peters was hired. Some posters speculated that Tre did not have budget to get a top guy. Like maybe B Sutter was a big spend and that did not pan out so going forward the owners decided that the mgmt and coaching budget would be low and they have not budged from that.

It's their P&L so whatever. But I think you have to pay for talent to guide your $80M investment. Seems dumb to skimp on this.

Even Tre was a project. And like others have said, his time might be up just as he is starting to figure it out.

Seems more and more like owners might be the problem. There is a preponderance of circumstantial evidence.

This is also circumstance, but ownership seems to run the team like any asset investment. They are as corporate as they come.

Given that I am sure if the GM said I gave a plan that we will not be a cap team, we will be 4 mill under and we will spend that on a coach the owners would listen. The outcome is what they are after like any investor.

My suspicion is the current GM feels the player investment is worth more than the coach.

I just can’t see how the owners block line item costs when they appear to budget a total amount for operations. Like any corporation.

[nixon45]

I've been Treliving out for a long time now. He has absolutely no idea how to build a team that is anything more than just mediocre.

He has to go.

[Mightyfire89]

The sad fact is that the ownership group of this team has not been willing to spend for success since the 80s. Look at the players let go over the years. The exodus in the early 90s was all about money. Murray Edwards is just continuing the organizational philosophy of cheapness.

I have no faith that Ward or Treliving will be gone any time soon because of money. So this is what we have. Mediocrity at best for the foreseeable future. As ever. Yuck.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

This is also circumstance, but ownership seems to run the team like any asset investment. They are as corporate as they come.

Given that I am sure if the GM said I gave a plan that we will not be a cap team, we will be 4 mill under and we will spend that on a coach the owners would listen. The outcome is what they are after like any investor.

My suspicion is the current GM feels the player investment is worth more than the coach.

I just can’t see how the owners block line item costs when they appear to budget a total amount for operations. Like any corporation.

I think it's more simple than that. I think that the entire senior management team, from ownership down, have no idea what they are doing.

[shadowlord]

Somewhere out there, I imagine Mike Gillis is polishing up his Powerpoint presentation with a few more self-referencing quotes.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

Somewhere out there, I imagine Mike Gillis is polishing up his Powerpoint presentation with a few more self-referencing quotes.

Find: Pittsburgh Penguins
Replace: Calgary Flames

[RT14]

I still don’t feel like Treliving is the problem but if he doesn’t make some major changes soon then he’s going to have to go whether he’s to blame or not because it’s easier for a new GM to cut ties with our top players than the GM who has built relationships with them. The fact that it’s widely known he is one of, if not the, most active GM’s in the league as far as exploring all trade options is something I value greatly because I yearned for an active GM for my entire Flames fan life. And until now, I’ve always respected his ability to draw a hard line in the sand as far as what assets he’s willing to give up in so many of the potential trades we were in on after seeing what teams we lost out to ended up giving up. I mean, what more could you ask for? A GM that explores everything but won’t be taken advantage of is generally a great thing and quite rare. Also, he has always managed to resign our players to at worst reasonable deals, and often surprisingly amazing deals.

That said, his coaching hires have sucked and his free agent signings have been hit and miss, but none of the negatives have been sure fire mistakes until things didn’t work out down the road. There was a lot of evidence that Neal would be a great signing at the time given his track record, for example. Even what I would consider his biggest blunder at this point in extending Ward full time, I can understand given how the players seemed to enjoy playing for him at first because there was a strong feeling that this group just needed a coach that would let them play their style without holding them back and coming down so hard on them. But at this point it’s obvious he is not at the level of other NHL coaches.

I say give him another shot, but on a short leash. He gets one more coaching hire and it better be someone with pedigree, and he has to suck it up and overpay on a major trade to shake things up. You can’t lose more trades than you win, but if you lose the one that gets you a star player for the franchise and someone to build around and break even or win most others while drafting and developing well, you’ll be better off in the end.

[Manhattanboy]

Maybe Edwards will tweet a vote of confidence like Aquilini did. Ha I doubt it.

[Saqe]

The coaching carousel has been a total failure, I'm not sure how you could even let Tre pick yet another coach. His track record is so bad.

In seven years it's hard to point out any major positives or negatives for that matter. The homeruns have been cancel out by the complete failures. He's just been average overall. All the "wizardry" he did has never mounted up to anything.

[Flamesfan05]

The owner didn’t waste our future for hamonic and hanifin
The owner didn’t waste our cap space in Neal and Brouwer

It’s not the owners. It’s treliving that is incompetent

The sooner he is fired the better for the team

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by RT14

The fact that it’s widely known he is one of, if not the, most active GM’s in the league as far as exploring all trade options is something I value greatly because I yearned for an active GM for my entire Flames fan life. And until now, I’ve always respected his ability to draw a hard line in the sand as far as what assets he’s willing to give up in so many of the potential trades we were in on after seeing what teams we lost out to ended up giving up. I mean, what more could you ask for? A GM that explores everything but won’t be taken advantage of is generally a great thing and quite rare.

The "hard line in the sand" part of this statement is doing a lot of work, yeoman's work, for a GM of a franchise that has made by far the least amount of NHL player for NHL player trades in the league over the past 7 years. The fact that Treliving has this reputation is a credit to his massive efforts of working the media players who cover the NHL more than any efforts he makes to make hockey trades.

[Jacks]

I've always felt that Treliving was/is highly overrated, he is a decent GM, probably a bit above average with some glaring warts. When people were posting those wizard memes I had to roll my eyes. He's made as many terrible moves as he has great but I think he is better today than he was several years ago. I can't see firing him right now because I can't think of anyone better to replace him. Ownership should keep him on until a much better GM becomes available. That being said Treliving needs to bite the bullet and admit he was wrong about Ward, he also shouldn't be choosing the next coach. Let Conroy and Gelinas do the coach interviews (yes actual interviews, what a concept) and give their recommendations.

[GirlySports]

Needs to go. How do you hire Ward for 2 years after you saw what happened in Game 6 last year.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I've always felt that Treliving was/is highly overrated, he is a decent GM, probably a bit above average with some glaring warts. When people were posting those wizard memes I had to roll my eyes.

The real wizardry is this

2013-2014 the season before Brad took over the Flames the team has 77 points and finished 5 games under. 500.

Seven years later the team is on pace to finish with 77 points over an 82 game season and is on pace to finish 5 games under .500

That is some dark arts wizardry work.

[Da_Chief]

The whole "ownership won't pay for a top tier coach is such a cop out."

After the Babcock debacle in Toronto it was reported coaches salary won't be anywhere close to that number anymore. The ownership is dishing out enough money if Peters is still getting paid along with Ward.

He's poor evaluator with a tunnel vision, had it with Gulutzen hire, Peters hire and with Ward hire. Sets on a guy and hires him.

I keep reading "need to get an elite coach"...here are the coaches to win cups in recent years.

Jon Cooper - Came up in Tampa system, wasn't an elite hire when hired in 2013.
Craig Berube - Fired in Philly, Coached AHL, assistant in St Louis, interim coach, won the cup, named full time.
Barry Trotz - Elite coach who got a very good Caps team over the hump.
Mike Sullivan - Assistant for number of years in Van, TB, NYR, AHL coach, promoted to NHL coach.
Joel Quenville - Elite coach who had number of playoff exits in St.Louis before winning in Chicago.
Darryl Sutter - Elite Coach.
Claude Julien - Elite Coach.
Dan Bylsma - Won the cup with Sid now out of the league.

Its half and half but one thing is all those rosters were loaded with excellent players. You can certainly find the right coach that's not already considered elite. There are so many coaches out there from assistant to AHL to Junior coaches.

You have to have the players and the right coach, he has missed the mark on both big time. I think he's in year 2 of his 4 contract so don't think he'll be going anywhere. Just have to let time pass as Flames fans have for number of years.

[btimbit]

It's not that we need an 'elite coach, it's just that we need a coach that will have the players play to their strengths and not this slow 5 man transition that's easy to stop. Peters was able to do that for half a season before we reverted back to Gulutzan hockey. We've been stuck there since

[Red]

Treliving would cost them too much to let go. Overall he's been fine. He has been terrible in some decisions though, coaching being one, so maybe they will change how one is selected? Involve others in the process. Maloney and Conroy with Treliving? Maybe bring an outsider in to the process?

And I don't think they necessarily need an experienced nhl coach. They just need a coach that is respected in the room and gives the guys a purpose. If that's an ex player coming up the coaching ranks, so be it. A strong personality with ability to lead should be more important than X and Os. Something I don't feel was high on priority list when they hired GG and Ward.

Ward is a bit awkward socially. Seems unsure of himself, his eyes are all over the place, clear signs of lack of confidence. I don't think players respect him and most importantly, they don't feel inspired.

Another change would be to improve the top line. They really dont have one right now. Is Tre up to the task? Hard to tell, he has whiffed on a few good Fs. He has to learn that you have to give to get. Cheaper is almost never better.

A guy like Travis Green would be nice. Are the Canucks ready to make a coaching change yet?

[bluejays]

I will say, when a thread pops up to fire the GM, things have got out of hand and his days may as well be numbered. It’s a sign of how anger has grown among fans. If this were a normal season where these same fans would be showing up at games voicing their displeasure, you can be sure ownership would realize they’ve got something bad on their hands. This year without that pressure, I could see this leadership group staying. But come next year they better be confident they can turn around because with crowds back there will be a ton of pent up anger by season ticket holders.

[Flamesfan05]

It’s funny that the apologists think coaching is treliving only mistakes

Look at the team he built lol