Edmonton is No Good VIII: There's Still Something in the Water!

[Reggie Dunlop]

It's not the same without the Steve Armitage narration.

https://soundcloud.com/ignitedsoul13...-edmonton-mike

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Is he earning his contract? Seriously, that is the question you are asking yourself. The guy is running away with the scoring lead and is the 25th highest contract in the league. Does the guy benefit from playing with McDavid, of course he does. McDavid is an elite talent of the comparable to Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin, anyone would benefit from playing with them. That said I think that McDavid also benefits from playing with Draisaitl as well.

A big, strong, durable center who has scored over 100 points in the past two years (including a 50 goal season), is an incredibly rare commodity in the NHL and the fact that he is signed for 5 more years at the same rate just increases his value.

In terms of elite NHL players, his contract is a bargain, with the only better contracts I can think of being MacKinnon and Pastrnak.

The team around McDavid and Draisaitl sucks, but that isn't their fault. The fact is that they have a mediocre overly expensive defense, a weak middle six and two iffy goaltenders, all while spending over 6 million a year on buyouts, retained salary, and buried contracts- a large portion of which will be carried over for years to come. Good NHL clubs don't waste that much money on players who don't play for them. This is a team that has tried for crappy quick fixes for the better part of a decade in order to mask the fact that their drafting sucks, their development sucks, and their city sucks (in comparison to other NHL cities) so that players don't want to come play or stay here. No one is going to choose Edmonton (or most other Canadian markets) over playing in New York, Florida, or California... that is why good management is essential and the Oilers have lacked that for a very long time.

A guy who was unquestionably the WORST 5 on 5 player in the league for an entire month during the season is probably not elite, and definitely should not be in consideration for the Hart trophy.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well as we all know, Edmonton is best seen from a forest in Banff.

I may as well make a video of Barnet including images of the rockies given that I see more of them than your average Edmontonian.

[TheScorpion]

Fun fact: Banff is roughly equidistant from Edmonton as the International Space Station is when in orbit above the province.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Pet peeve...Calgarians shaving 15mins off the Canmore commute time, 25mins off the Banff time and 25mins off the Lake Louise commute time. Or they live off Stoney in the west of the city.

Those are the times it takes me, but yes I'm far west so don't have to traverse much of the city first.

I also drive at a pretty reasonable speed but I'm positive there are people out there that make the Canmore trip in half an hour from Tuscany/Rocky Ridge/West Springs.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

A guy who was unquestionably the WORST 5 on 5 player in the league for an entire month during the season is probably not elite, and definitely should not be in consideration for the Hart trophy.

You can find a stretch of play for any player in the league that they Play like crap.

Fair to say he isn't a Hart candidate but he's elite no question about it
How many player in the league in this century have had a year with 50 goals and 100 points & 100 points two years in a row.

Not his fault he and McDavid can't drag a crap team very far.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

You can find a stretch of play for any player in the league that they Play like crap.

Fair to say he isn't a Hart candidate but he's elite no question about it
How many player in the league in this century have had a year with 50 goals and 100 points & 100 points two years in a row.

Not his fault he and McDavid can't drag a crap team very far.

Yes, every player has a bad stretch.

Not every player is the worst player in the league over the course of a month.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Yes, every player has a bad stretch.

Not every player is the worst player in the league over the course of a month.

Is this true? I'd very much like to see the stats on this so I can send it to all my oiler fan friends next time they start drooling over Drai.

[Locke]

"Play The Rockies!*"

*From the strict confines of your Hotel....which you are never allowed to leave.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

Is this true? I'd very much like to see the stats on this so I can send it to all my oiler fan friends next time they start drooling over Drai.

In 17 games between November 24th and December 31st, he was a minus player in 16 of them. He was +-0 in the other one, and was only 0 in that one because of a last minute 6 on 5 goal that pulled the Oilers within 1, in a game the oilers lost in regulation.

In those 17 games, Raisaitl was -27.

During that stretch, he was on the ice for:

4 GF Even strength
2 GF 6 on 5
30 GA Even strength
3 GA with the Oilers on the PP.

[FlamesLitSquad]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

The most striking thing is the "play in the Rockies" text which clearly is from a tourism add but in the context of this add makes it seem like the NHLers will be playing in the Rockies.

Also, what's the deal with Matt Wolf? I don't know much about him other than I guess he works for Kenney. I saw he's been tweeting in response to Kenney's original tweet trying to justify the ad saying how it is directed at player's families and the Oilers will be paying to tour them around Alberta. Firstly, they are definitely stretching to try and justify how this ad makes sense at all. Secondly it just proves what a dump Edmonton is that their main argument to attract the players is that they don't actually have to stay in Edmonton.

Matt Wolf is basically a troll (Issues Manager) that gets paid over 100k/year to fight facts on twitter and spew whatever the war-room and Kenney are putting out.


Anyone who disagrees with his posts are labelled NDP staffers and get blocked, everything is Trudeau or "Nutley's" fault.


Tried to keep that as un-political as possible while still saying what is happening.

[Bingo]

To me Draisaitl is what he is ... a great complimentary player.

I don't think he's a Hart guy.

In the last two years he's earned 72% of his points with McDavid on the ice (53% of the time if I remember correctly). How can you be the most valuable player, when you need another player to boost your numbers?

His contract is now a steal, but that's complicated too, because his contract was a boosting contract for the league, sending salaries up to which now makes his contract look good. Circular loop.

In a deeper numbers era it's hard to look past how pedestrian his 5 on 5 numbers are. I'm sure Hart winners in the past have won while being sketchy defensively, but he's been owned in almost every 5 on 5 metric in the last two years.

Great complimentary player though.

The question is will his own and on ice shooting percentage hold, or were the two years an aberration.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

If you want to look at offensive and defensive contributions combined, GAR is a reasonable thing to have a look at. Let's see where Draisaitl slots in among the top players in that regard...

... yeah, he's not even on the list.

[Monahammer]

Matt Wolf is a certifiable idiot in real life too. Don't you worry.

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If you want to look at offensive and defensive contributions combined, GAR is a reasonable thing to have a look at. Let's see where Draisaitl slots in among the top players in that regard...

... yeah, he's not even on the list.

Based on that Panarin is the MVP and it's not even close.

Too funny to see McDavid with a -6 in adjusted even strength defence (I think that's what it means). Goes to show how the Oilers have ruined his development. Could clearly be the best overall player in the league but instead is just one of the best offensive players.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

In 17 games between November 24th and December 31st, he was a minus player in 16 of them. He was +-0 in the other one, and was only 0 in that one because of a last minute 6 on 5 goal that pulled the Oilers within 1, in a game the oilers lost in regulation.

In those 17 games, Raisaitl was -27.

During that stretch, he was on the ice for:

4 GF Even strength
2 GF 6 on 5
30 GA Even strength
3 GA with the Oilers on the PP.

Originally Posted by Bingo

To me Draisaitl is what he is ... a great complimentary player.

I don't think he's a Hart guy.

In the last two years he's earned 72% of his points with McDavid on the ice (53% of the time if I remember correctly). How can you be the most valuable player, when you need another player to boost your numbers?

His contract is now a steal, but that's complicated too, because his contract was a boosting contract for the league, sending salaries up to which now makes his contract look good. Circular loop.

In a deeper numbers era it's hard to look past how pedestrian his 5 on 5 numbers are. I'm sure Hart winners in the past have won while being sketchy defensively, but he's been owned in almost every 5 on 5 metric in the last two years.

Great complimentary player though.

The question is will his own and on ice shooting percentage hold, or were the two years an aberration.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If you want to look at offensive and defensive contributions combined, GAR is a reasonable thing to have a look at. Let's see where Draisaitl slots in among the top players in that regard...

... yeah, he's not even on the list.

Amazing!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

In 17 games between November 24th and December 31st, he was a minus player in 16 of them. He was +-0 in the other one, and was only 0 in that one because of a last minute 6 on 5 goal that pulled the Oilers within 1, in a game the oilers lost in regulation.

In those 17 games, Raisaitl was -27.

During that stretch, he was on the ice for:

4 GF Even strength
2 GF 6 on 5
30 GA Even strength
3 GA with the Oilers on the PP.

That's quite the stat. 5 of the bottom 9 players league-wide during that stretch were Oilers. Klefbom was -16, Green was -14 (tied with Larkin), and Larsson & McDavid were -12 (tied with 3 others).

It's amazing that Raisaitl was -11 lower than the second-worst player in the league. Only 10 players overall were -11 or worse during that stretch.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If you want to look at offensive and defensive contributions combined, GAR is a reasonable thing to have a look at. Let's see where Draisaitl slots in among the top players in that regard...

... yeah, he's not even on the list.

Does GAR mean that on defence McDavid is worth than a waiver wire pick up?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Bingo

His contract is now a steal, but that's complicated too, because his contract was a boosting contract for the league, sending salaries up to which now makes his contract look good. Circular loop.

Exactly, the contract was a big over payment at the time. Idiot contracts handed out by the oilers and leafs have completely broken the RFA model and inflated salaries across the board for players coming off of their ELC's. They gave up all of the leverage that RFA gives them for no real reason that I can see. The leafs are even worse because they gave up ridiculous cap hits with only 1 year of UFA, as dumb as Chiapet was at least he got the full term.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GGG

Does GAR mean that on defence McDavid is worth than a waiver wire pick up?

If you take a replacement level player, over the course of this season, McDavid contributed negative six goals to his team at even strength in terms of defence (or more specifically, goals allowed), compared to that replacement level player.

There are of course reasons to question that conclusion based on other stats, because GAR's various components have a number of inputs that are in a formula used by Evolving Hockey and others. What those stats measure and how they're weighted are always up for debate. And of course, this data is only from this season, which is not McDavid's best. I guarantee if you asked every person working at Evolving Hockey, and probably every person who relies on GAR as an analytic in their writing, they would all say McDavid is the best hockey player in the world. Not to mention, his power play contributions are obscene, and those goals count the same as any other. So take the above with that grain of salt.

But short answer? This season, yes.

And to the other poster who said that this showed Panarin should absolutely win the Hart, I agree, and not just because of this stat. He's first in so many categories. His season was so utterly nuts that he managed to sign the league's biggest contract and still be significantly underpaid (according to what standings points are worth).