Cartoons upset Danish Muslims

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

According to the Islam it is blasphemous to make images of the prophet.

Then how does anyone know what he looks like?

Pretty sure they didn't have cameras back then. So if nobody knows for sure what he looks like, then how can it offend anyone? Maybe it's just a cartoon of some guy down the street?

[Shawnski]

Thought I would register over at that forum to ask a couple questions.... but...

Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator.

Hmmmm....

[photon]

For those that want to get beat up fast...

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

The latest poster on that "sunniforum" link Cheese provided has this for a signature....



#3 pretty much includes every person that wears pants... if they are tailored correctly
#4,5 and 6 pretty much exclude most forms of electronic entertainment.... I wonder why then that these folks post on the INTERNET... with COMPUTERS.... on a MONITOR.

At some point, the Mid-East will run out of oil. I truly wonder WTF they think will support their society then. Talk about having all their eggs in one basket.

When were these rules made?

If watching TV is in there, obviously, they weren't made very long ago. Do they make up a new set every few years?

Did mohammed tell them to do this, or was this on their own?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

Thought I would register over at that forum to ask a couple questions.... but...



Hmmmm....

Doesnt surprise me. Given how "intense" this situation has become, I would not be surprised if that forum had been overrun with idiots out to cause problems.

I remember modding over on Fanhome during the 2002 olympics when we had to suspend registrations because South Korean posters were registering hundreds of accounts specifically to complain about a controversial finish to a short track speed skating event - on every thread and every forum on the site. In fact, South Korean IPs were banned outright.

[Jayems]

hahah, that shirt rules.

[Hack&Lube]

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/se...&c=images&b=11

Well, looks like it's that time of the year again to cut and chain-whip yourselves!

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

It's most definitely against the law, in fact the maximum sentence in Britain is life in prison. But you are still completely missing the point. The police were very likely the difference between a protest and a riot. Turn on the TV and take a look at what's been going on in Syria, Lebanon, and Afghanistan. That's what happens when law enforcement loses control of a protest. In London they maintained control, and if you think that arresting protesters during the demonstration wouldn't have hurt their chances of doing so, you need to stop kidding yourself. People here aren't that scared of the metro police.
Again, this isn't about what the other rioters think. It's about embassies not burning and people not dying. And it wasn't one guy, it was hundreds chanting "murderous slogans" as the BBC puts it. Who do you arrest? Certainly just arresting a few wouldn't satisfy all the people watching the news at home and calling for justice. Maybe the police should have just charged into the crowd with billy clubs and riot shields to show them what happens when you break the law in London?

I know you want to use this situation as part of a crusade against the PC brigade or something, but I seriously doubt that's why they didn't step in. Proof of this is the fact that the police have already begun making arrests based on footage taken from the demonstration.

Just because I dont buy your leftist apologist views doesnt mean I am missing the point. I am disagreeing with it.

The UK is reaping rewards of its liberal multicultural policies it has been practicing for a long time. Drift away from European tradition and this is what you will get. Police that is affraid to enforce law to ensure safety of British citizens. You watch the news and you dont know if the live feed is from London or Khabul. No wonder it is tough to maintain control over demonstrations. It is absolutely pathetic that the police is affraid to arrest rioters on the spot because it will fuel more riots.

And what are Euro politicains doing? They are repeating the same mistakes again and again.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

When were these rules made?

According to the date in the quote, right around the 29th of December, 1994 as far as I can tell.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by photon

For those that want to get beat up fast...

A popular t-shirt in London last year when we were there, particularly among young ladies:



EDIT TO ADD:

A Canadian University paper publishes the cartoons:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

Cowperson

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

When were these rules made?

If watching TV is in there, obviously, they weren't made very long ago. Do they make up a new set every few years?

Did mohammed tell them to do this, or was this on their own?

Religion = control.
Control = rules

When the rules are made matters not. A simple dream, or a sighting similar to Frank the Tanks Grilled Cheese is all it takes.

[Shawnski]

Now there is a price on the heads of the cartoonists....

a Taliban commander said the Taliban would give 100 kilograms of gold to anyone who killed the person responsible for "blasphemous" cartoons in Denmark

http://smh.com.au/news/world/taliban...465794608.html

[Cowperson]

Danes are flabbergasted . . . . actually, I found this LA Times story pretty funny for some reason, maybe for quotes like this from the formerly innocent Danes.

"A lot of Danes have problems understanding what is going on and why people in those countries reacted this way," said Morton Rixen, a philosophy student, looking out his window at a city awhirl in angst and snow. "We're used to seeing American flags and pictures of George Bush being burned, but we've always seen ourselves as a more tolerant nation. We're in shock to now be in the center of this."

So they burn American flags and consider themselves tolerant? What a perversely European thing to say.

The cultural editor who first ran the cartoons isn't sorry though:

"I think it's problematic when a religion tries to impose its taboos and rules on the larger society," he said. "When they ask me not to run those cartoons, they are not asking for my respect. They're asking for my submission…. To me, those cartoons are saying that some individuals have hijacked, kidnapped and taken hostage the religion of Islam to commit terrorism."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by fotze

He didn't say they burn the flags.

In retrospect, it's true you could take his comment that way.

EDIT: An examination on where the spark came from that lit the fuse on the Muslim side, a December meeting of 57 Muslim nations in Mecca, the Organization of the Islamic Conference::

"It was no big deal until the Islamic conference when the O.I.C. took a stance against it," said Muhammad el-Sayed Said, deputy director of the Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies in Cairo.

Sari Hanafi, an associate professor at the American University in Beirut, said that for Arab governments resentful of the Western push for democracy, the protests presented an opportunity to undercut the appeal of the West to Arab citizens. The freedom pushed by the West, they seemed to say, brought with it disrespect for Islam.

He said the demonstrations "started as a visceral reaction — of course they were offended — and then you had regimes taking advantage saying, 'Look, this is the democracy they're talking about.' "

The protests also allowed governments to outflank a growing challenge from Islamic opposition movements by defending Islam.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/09/in...rtner=homepage

Cowperson

[Cheese]

Not really related but conjoined nonetheless...

More than one million Iraqis marched and beat themselves Thursday in blood-soaked processions through this holy city and other #####e centers around the country to mourn the seventh century death of their revered martyr, Imam Hussein.

Following dawn prayers, about 8,000 people, dressed in black as a sign of mourning and including children as young as 8, marched between the two shrines to the deep beat of bass drums.
Some slapped chains across their backs until their clothes were soaked with blood, while others beat their heads with the flat side of long swords and knives until blood ran freely in a ritual of grief that was banned under ousted dictator Saddam Hussein.Some sliced their foreheads with the edge of a sword in a practice known as "al-Tatbeer" — meaning "sword" in Arabic — and beat themselves while chanting "Haider, Haider," a name by which Hussein's father, Ali, is known.

Religious Grief? Or Sadism?

[Cowperson]

In fairness, a fairly mature reaction from Arab Americans . . . . . and Arab Americans praise American media reaction.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11239054/

Globe and Mail today on Canadian Muslim reaction with a note about student protests and teacher protests at a couple of Canadian universities:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

Support Freedom - Buy Danish - National Post editorial:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...2-a3a17b428c22

Cowperson



Cowperson

[Cheese]

Yep it seems North American Muslims see beyond the end of their nose....up to this point.
Hamas also appears to be calling out for calm...but this sentence grabbed me...

as a Taliban commander in Afghanistan said 100 suicide bombers were lined up on the side of further violence

HAMMAS CALLING FOR PEACE

[Cowperson]

Hamas "is prepared to play a role in calming the situation between the Islamic world and Western countries on condition that these countries commit themselves to putting an end to attacks against the feelings of Muslims," the organisation's leader Khaled Meshaal told a news conference.

Well, the obvious comeback to that is that suicide bombers do more than hurt your feelings.

Cowperson

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Well, the obvious comeback to that is that suicide bombers do more than hurt your feelings.

Cowperson

There was a suicide bombing in Pakistan today. Last count was 27 dead I believe. I wonder (no I don't) if this will spark worldwide protests.

It's mind-boggling. I mean I can understand being offended by the cartoons but what are the priorities? Cartoons about Islam or murdered Muslims? What is more important? It seems that cartoons are more important and more worthy of outrage than some ###### killing himself and scores of other believers.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by photon

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