[PGT] Yep, we’re as soft as toilet paper. Flames lose to bottom feeding Sharks 3-1.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by zamler

I don't want to see any player swaps until we get a legit coach, unless a too good to be true deal comes up which it won't.

I get where you're coming from (Ward is awful) but we absolutely need player swaps.

Our whole forward lineup is a bunch of left handed shot forwards. This causes guys to never be able to get open on the forehand on the cycle or breakout and results in overhandling the puck. We need at least two more righties to add to Lindholm and Ryan. And I don't see Robinson as the answer although he's been energetic.

Trade some of them for righties with similar skillsets to balance things out. It's no coincidence last year we were mostly successful with the additions of Czarnik, Ryan, and Hathaway. We're down two of the three.

our D core has two slow players in Hamonic and Stone who can't hand with the speed of today's game. We need to fill this hole we more mobile players.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by keenan87

But yet, many think he is one of the greatest GMs ever because he traded a norris calibre dman for a top six forward and another dman who just got demoted to the third pair.

Ive always thought BT was an ok to average GM. Definitely have never viewed him as a wizard just as I was never in the In sutter we trust mantra. Sure as many may defend BT and say he works hard and is always on the phones. But I’d expect that from any GM who wants to improve their club.

As I said average GM. The results speak for themselves.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Yeah, this team was great under Peters.

Guy was a losing coach for 80% of his coaching resume.

They may have paid him a lot to be here, but I don't think his coaching chops matched his salary.

Same class as GG and possibly Ward.

[Otto-matic]

The dome was a library tonight. Zero energy from puck drop.

Holy cripes this team is bad, I don't know how they could go from the team we got last year to a team that can barely hit an open net.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I feel really bad for the STHs who fork big money to watch this crap...

Ya hi. So glad I gave my tix to clients as was unable to attend or watch.

Of course its likely they're no longer clients....

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Meh. They should go for it. This team has to make it or blow up. They gain little whimpering off to the end of the season.

Where did the ‘flames won’t pay a coach’ thing come from? That’s made up.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Where did the ‘flames won’t pay a coach’ thing come from? That’s made up.

Observation of the management and team for ...oh...the last 40 years or so. Mostly. Certainly for most of the last 20.

[GullFoss]

Ditto - gave my tickets to a cousin for her bday (before the seasons started and the sharks were supposed to be good).

It's kind of nice to have a good deed rewarded. So glad I didn't waste my time at the dome today lol. I've suffered through a rebuild and the "contending window" is somehow even less enjoyable. What a bunch of losers

[N-E-B]

I’m stunned that anyone still thinks hiring Gallant or Laviolette is going to solve these issues. This group is on its third coach in less than three years. It ain’t the coaching.

The bottom line is that this team has too many players that can’t be relied on to chip in offensively from time to time.

Sam Bennett, Mark Jankowski, Milan Lucic, Mikael Backlund, and Tobias Rieder are simply not good enough. That Backlund contract was bad when they signed it and it looks even worse now.

This team is not a coach away from being good. This team needs another high end forward and I’d argue a complete overhaul of the bottom six. Derek Ryan is the only guy in the bottom six I’d keep. Dube too but only because of his age. If I didn’t see potential there I’d lump him in with the other dead weight.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m stunned that anyone still thinks hiring Gallant or Laviolette is going to solve these issues. This group is on its third coach in less than three years. It ain’t the coaching.

Yes...and they're all (Peters Gully ward) garbage coaches

[browna]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Something finally clicked in me watching this game.

A number of these guys actually, genuinely, don't care. You can tell by what they're doing out there, and the pace at which they're doing it. 4 shots in the third says it all. This is putting aside the terribly flawed and ambiguous system that they're employing.

I'm all for selling and retooling now. And that's unusual for me given the standings, I'd usually chirp people that want to go that route while in a playoff hunt. But there's no way, there's just no way this roster, the same one that folded against the Avs has taken any kind of step forward since then. They're just as fragile.

Recognizing this now, it's clear to me that we need a couple of transplants in this team's core. I sincerely hope Treliving recognizes that and is honest with himself about what needs to be done.

Screw scraping into a playoff spot on streaky, inconsistent efforts. We have to aim for higher and for the bigger picture.

I'd rather have hope for this team's future because we sold and collected picks/prospects and watch the Oilers play in April than spend assets to repeat last spring all over again.

The last period of that game and the player's body language was like the last 2 months of the GG era, after the stick throw effect wore off. Not a lot of faith in the coach can motivate them or provide the game plan for success. The changing of lines every 5 minutes shows that Ward has run out of answer, which doesn't help his reputation with the players that he knows 100% what he should be doing....so that effect snowballs for both players and coaches.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Trade some of them for righties with similar skillsets to balance things out. It's no coincidence last year we were mostly successful with the additions of Czarnik, Ryan, and Hathaway. We're down two of the three.

Well, we can call up Czarnik any time, especially since he’s been lighting it up in Stockton. But instead we have Rieder and Rinaldo on the roster. Seriously?

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Yes...and they're all (Peters Gully ward) garbage coaches

Gully was the worst coach I can remember since Gilbert.

Peters got results one year and had like 1/4 of a season of mediocrity so I think I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that and say he got results. I don’t think it’s fair to say Peters was garbage (strictly speaking from a hockey perspective).

The jury is out on Ward for me but tonight he was not good. There was no reason to mix up the lines. I think his results are probably a bit fortunate but I also don’t think he’s the reason they aren’t winning and I don’t think bringing in someone else will magically change the team.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Meh. They should go for it. This team has to make it or blow up. They gain little whimpering off to the end of the season.

Where did the ‘flames won’t pay a coach’ thing come from? That’s made up.

They just promoted an associate coach from within

Gallant and Laviolette are available

Where do you think it came from?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m stunned that anyone still thinks hiring Gallant or Laviolette is going to solve these issues. This group is on its third coach in less than three years. It ain’t the coaching.

How is it not obvious to you how flawed this argument is? You could bring in 1000 coaches and if they are all no good the team will very likely fail. This has been proven on championship teams, they floundered under a bad coach then went on to win more Cups under a good coach.

Sid Crosby saw his numbers tank under Johnston, Crosby faithfully played the system the coach wanted. BTW no one is saying a coach will fix everything.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Meh. They should go for it. This team has to make it or blow up. They gain little whimpering off to the end of the season.

Where did the ‘flames won’t pay a coach’ thing come from? That’s made up.

Hartley, GG, Peters all seem like bargain bin coaches when they had some big fish to throw money at.

[mile]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m stunned that anyone still thinks hiring Gallant or Laviolette is going to solve these issues. This group is on its third coach in less than three years. It ain’t the coaching.

It can be both coaching and the players. Hire a proven coach, then let the player performance under him dictate which players we keep.



Ward's line changes after the 1st period killed our momentum. He's made a lot of other baffling decisions (not starting Talbot against Ottawa, putting Lucic on a 4-3 PP in OT, etc.) and our D-zone coverage has gotten even worse under him.



It's not all his fault but he isn't helping either.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dion

There is urgency in the teams vocabulary.

Missing the playoffs is not an option.

Should be in their play instead.

[Karl]

Agree with NEB. Most of the bottom 6 guys on this team are absolute deadweights. Very little to negative ability to produce reasonable offense.

[DeluxeMoustache]

When I need help on Margarita Monday, I hope Ward will be available

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