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Old 01-15-2020, 11:09 AM   #101
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Wow, wow, wow. Gallant is one of the last guys I would have expected to be fired.
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Old 01-15-2020, 11:13 AM   #102
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The quintessential knee jerk reaction firing.

Seriously. 3rd season in the league, less than 2 years removed from a cup final, screwed out of a potential playoff run last season and the guy gets canned?
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Old 01-15-2020, 11:20 AM   #103
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Hasn't it been like -30 something the last few days in Calgary? Probably not a good week to try to entice someone to move there...
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Old 01-15-2020, 11:23 AM   #104
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The point was more about how is that any different then Geoff Ward?

Guy has been an assistant coach for 14 years in the NHL now, has never really been out there as a guy who's politicking for a head coach job, and seemed 100% content to just be an assistant here prior to the Peters incident.
Well, what i'm suggesting here is that the organizations are different. I'm sure Ward would love to have the 'interim' title removed and just be 'head coach'. From the reporting, it's the Flames who are hesitant to do that, even though they have given Ward a bump in pay. I think considering Ward interviewed for the head coaching job with this same organization, that the Flames saw a fit in that capacity, but are hesitant to do much of anything right now.

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You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what the Flames leadership team and coaching staff want to do and their plan for this year.

Fact of the matter is at the time of the Peters incident there really were no clear names that were more qualified than Ward to step into an interim role, and no names the Flames should have rushed out to hire.

That's changed since then and their are now some great proven NHL coaches out there, but from all account Ward has done a really good job in that place.

Those are the only facts we really know from this.
I think the 'names' business is a bit overstated here. Jim Montgomery wasn't a 'name' hire necessarily, but he was sought after because he'd come up through the college ranks and had success on a national level. There are all sorts of guys like that around hockey.

I don't think Vegas is hiring DeBoer because he has a well-recognized name, I think it's because they saw him in action over the last couple of years and think he's an excellent coach. They appear willing to pay him as well which doesn't hurt, and they are an attractive location for an out of work coach to go to.

I just don't think the Flames were going to be involved in a Laviolette/Gallant/DeBoer hiring even if those guys were available. Dave Tippett was available when the Flames had Gulutzan and it's not like his name value sealed the deal, and yet he ended up in Edmonton.

I'm not even suggesting I would replace Ward with one of those guys either, just that if I had to put money on whether Gallant ends up in Dallas or Calgary, i'm putting money on Dallas.

I think when the Flames made Ward Associate coach it was an indication he was next in line, either in Calgary or somewhere else. This is the case for other organizations, like Reirden in Washington, Lane Lambert now with the Islanders. I think when the Stars made Bowness assistant coach they weren't really considering a succession plan from Montgomery within 18 months.

Maybe I am making a lot of assumptions, but I'm doing that based on the Flames history of coaching hires which transcends GMs. I will be shocked if Gallant or Laviolette are the Coach of the Flames...ever.
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Old 01-15-2020, 11:38 AM   #105
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I like Ward but I think Gallant would be a significant upgrade. Hire Gallant, move Ward back to associate coach, win cup.

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Old 01-15-2020, 11:42 AM   #106
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"Let's hire everyone who is fired"

Vegas has a solid roster...at least as good as Calgary and they have done worse
Difference of 1 point so far this season but Vegas has a better goal differential.


And then we can start counting playoff wins...
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:10 PM   #107
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I can’t help but think it is more than just performance. Performance probably gave them cause, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some type of conflict. You don’t just bail on a coach after exceeding expectations after half a season of what should be realistic expectations.
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:28 PM   #108
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I was wondering the same. I have never seen it mentioned what Ward wants to do. He seems to have been an assistant/associate for so long I was wondering if he was content in that role. I wondered if this is his big break to finally be a head coach and build from there, or is he willing to take over for the end of the season or when the Flames find a new coach - whichever comes first. We just don't know.
Ward interviewed for the HC position here (I think when GG was hired). So he wanted to be a HC at least that recently.
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:29 PM   #109
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I cringe every time a coach gets fired because I know there will be a parade of "let's hire him!" posts. However, gallant is one of the few guys for whom I would be on board with saying/doing exactly that. He is the guy I want as head coach. (and put me down in the group that hasn't been impressed with the style of play under Ward).

As for the call last year in the playoffs, I hadn't seen it - that is a crazy way to lose a playoff series. And how ironic that Vegas has now replaced Gallant with DeBoer (huge downgrade IMO).
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:30 PM   #110
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I can’t help but think it is more than just performance. Performance probably gave them cause, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some type of conflict. You don’t just bail on a coach after exceeding expectations after half a season of what should be realistic expectations.
Not sure how connected Gary Lawless is but he did offer this-

https://twitter.com/user/status/1217486761649197056
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:34 PM   #111
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^ To Vegas? Very.
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Old 01-15-2020, 02:00 PM   #112
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Not sure how connected Gary Lawless is but he did offer this-

https://twitter.com/user/status/1217486761649197056
A cup final and a playoff appearance in the first two years of an expansion franchise doesn't buy you a grace period through a rough couple months?

That's some Mickey Mouse ####.
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Old 01-15-2020, 02:17 PM   #113
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I bet there was, and I bet you the Vegas taxi took him the “fast way” too. God I hate Vegas taxis
I've switched entirely to Uber in Vegas.

Or "free" limo rides.
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Old 01-15-2020, 02:37 PM   #114
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Also maybe noteworthy that Babcock hasn't been an option for several teams now that have replaced their coach since he was fired by the Leafs. Wasn't long ago there was a bidding war for his services. I expect teams are going to want to wait until the offseason at least to see if the smoke has cleared around him.[/QUOTE

Babcock's salary is probably the main reason he has not been re-
hired and plus the fact he needs a release from the Leafs.
He's still being paid by the Leafs, so I don't think money is an issue. He was fired from the Leafs. He doesn't need another a release to coach anywhere else.
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Old 01-15-2020, 02:40 PM   #115
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In almost any other situation I would say give Ward the rest of the season and review in the off season. I just think Gallant is too good of a coach and too perfect of a fit to not go after him now.

I would sell him on the team and the fact that he would get a great opportunity to stick it to his former team.
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Old 01-15-2020, 03:03 PM   #116
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If the flames lose the next two, I can see Treliving contacting GG over the break.
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Old 01-15-2020, 03:07 PM   #117
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If the flames lose the next two, I can see Treliving contacting GG over the break.
Doesn't he have his duties with the Oilers to attend to?
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Old 01-15-2020, 03:10 PM   #118
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In almost any other situation I would say give Ward the rest of the season and review in the off season. I just think Gallant is too good of a coach and too perfect of a fit to not go after him now.

I would sell him on the team and the fact that he would get a great opportunity to stick it to his former team.

Which he would also get in SJ.
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Old 01-15-2020, 03:10 PM   #119
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"Let's hire everyone who is fired"
Yes, good point. I instead am hoping for Brad to grab one of the coaches who said "Okay, I'm doing really well, but this is enough for me, I'm going to step down, take a couple years off and then wait for a team that needs an elite, proven coach that was not fired".
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