11-16-2019, 05:17 PM
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#101
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
I’m with you on not blaming Peters, but the PP strategy is awful and has been awful the entire time Ward has run it.
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The PP has been awful for much much longer than that. Pretty sure it wasnt that great under Hartley either. Take them binoculars now and turn them squarely at the players.
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11-16-2019, 05:21 PM
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#102
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
The PP has been awful for much much longer than that. Pretty sure it wasnt that great under Hartley either. Take them binoculars now and turn them squarely at the players.
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Well, if that’s the case then it’s on Tree. If we don’t have the personnel to have a good PP, why hasn’t it been addressed?
It’s an organizational issue top to bottom.
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11-16-2019, 05:21 PM
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#103
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Karl
Did Janko do anything that was positive in this game??? Or sort of good?
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No, like this entire year he did absolutely nothing.
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11-16-2019, 05:24 PM
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#104
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Lifetime Suspension
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This team is 15th in goals for 15th goals against 15th in the league. Okay that's wrong was looking for stats that didn't exist, but this team is average in so many ways.
wait that might be right, #### it I'm having another drink.
Last edited by zamler; 11-16-2019 at 05:27 PM.
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11-16-2019, 05:26 PM
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#105
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Peterborough, ON
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zamler
This team is 15th in goals for 15th goals against 15th in the league.
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I don’t remember which poster said it, but the flames are the rice in a burrito - bland, just there for filler.
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11-16-2019, 05:26 PM
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#106
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Faceoffs don't mean ####
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Yeah exactly, gaining possession of the puck in the offensive zone sucks. Also, having the puck, in the defensive zone is horrible too.
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11-16-2019, 05:26 PM
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#107
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Franchise Player
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Mediocre team looks mediocre again. Shocking!
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11-16-2019, 05:28 PM
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#108
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
I’m with you on not blaming Peters, but the PP strategy is awful and has been awful the entire time Ward has run it.
One thing I will be critical of Peters on though is his line management through 22 games. It’s a whirlwind of useless changes that get reverted almost as soon as they’re cooked up.
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The PP was pretty good last year...8th most PP goals in the league. Same group of guys this year mostly.
Again this comes back to the intensity the players are exhibiting. All those passes to no one...passes in the feet repeatedly....missing the net with wide open looks... all those kind of details. That isn't coaching, its guys just not focused on what they have to do to be successful or unwilling to do what is needed.
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11-16-2019, 05:30 PM
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#109
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Lifetime Suspension
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Coach's job is get the team ready otherwise what is the point of having a coach.
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11-16-2019, 05:30 PM
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#110
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
The PP was pretty good last year...8th most PP goals in the league. Same group of guys this year mostly.
Again this comes back to the intensity the players are exhibiting. All those passes to no one...passes in the feet repeatedly....missing the net with wide open looks... all those kind of details. That isn't coaching, its guys just not focused on what they have to do to be successful or unwilling to do what is needed.
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That’s cherry picking a stat I think. Percentage wise they were 18th. That’s not good enough. Nowhere near good enough.
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11-16-2019, 05:32 PM
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#111
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG
I went for a nap after the first period. Best decision ever.
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I turned the game on after the first and turned it off after the 2nd.
Didn't miss anything.
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11-16-2019, 05:33 PM
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#112
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samonadreau
He just got an extension
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CLASSIC flames
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11-16-2019, 05:33 PM
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#113
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Originally Posted by zamler
Coach's job is get the team ready otherwise what is the point of having a coach.
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The team just isn't built well enough. But the Flames need stability, according to some.
Mediocre and more mediocre, but stable mediocre.
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11-16-2019, 05:33 PM
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#114
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 127.0.0.1
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Flames are very meh lately.
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Pass the bacon.
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11-16-2019, 05:35 PM
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#115
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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What was the last meaningful mid-season NHL player-for-NHL player trade the Flames made? Bourque for Cammalleri?
Lazar for Jokipakka doesn't count, those two combined for six total games played in 2016-17 with their respective teams post-trade.
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11-16-2019, 05:37 PM
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#116
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
The team just isn't built well enough.
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You build down the middle.
Based on the play of Monahan, Backlund, and Jankowski, we're essentially a donut team.
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"May those who accept their fate find happiness. May those who defy it find glory."
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11-16-2019, 05:37 PM
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#117
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
The team just isn't built well enough. But the Flames need stability, according to some.
Mediocre and more mediocre, but stable mediocre.
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Flames cut the rebuild short with the Hamonic and Elliott trades and now lack the organizational depth to fill out their whole roster, but I’d still argue Tree is moving the organization forward.
He’s facing a big challenge right now. The core and depth are both letting the team down, how do you move forward? Difficult waters to navigate.
Do you double down on this core and try and boost their confidence with a show of faith by complimenting them with a costly acquisition? Force them to fail or succeed as-is (not going well so far)?
Last edited by ComixZone; 11-16-2019 at 05:40 PM.
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11-16-2019, 05:39 PM
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#118
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl
Wasn't able to watch this game because it was on SNF.
Did Janko actually do anything good this game?
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Will you please STFU about the guy who got the 2nd lowest amount of ice time on the team today, like he's responsible for anything? I mean, don't worry about the guys who are paid to make difference, and get the ice time to make a difference, who don't make a difference, let's focus on the guys who are working with seven minutes of even strength ice time.
This is a team than needs an enema, starting with Johnny Gaudreau. This is a guy that doesn't look like he wants to be here. Accommodate him. Move him out and improve the team just by having players that want to be here. If you can't find enough of those, maybe its time to re-think everything.
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11-16-2019, 05:40 PM
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#119
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I want to see crazy insane lines tomorrow! I was promised a line blender, give me the blender!!
Gaudreau - Jankowski - Lindholm
Lucic - Bennett - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Monahan - Frolik
Rieder - Backlund - Ryan
Hanifin - Andersson
Giordano - Kylington
Davidson - Hamonic
Talbot
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This wouldn't be for tomorrows game but i want to see:
Gaudreau-Mony- Ryan
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Dube
Mangiapane-Backlund-Phillips
Lucic-Bennet-Rieder
Waive frolik and send him down.
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11-16-2019, 05:43 PM
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#120
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zamler
Coach's job is get the team ready otherwise what is the point of having a coach.
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IMO a coaches job is to have a structure for the team to play within and make sure they understand how that is to be done to be successful. He also has to put his players in the right position within that framework for them to succeed.
Its almost entirely up to the players whether or not they are ready willing to do so. For most of last year this club was bought in to what he was selling and it was working in spades. Then the AS break happened for them and when they got back they simply didnt play the same way consistently as they had been and it showed. This year...more of the same but even less consistency and willingness to do what they are being told.
I guarantee that a core player is dealt long before any coaching changes happen...IIRC BT said as much some time ago.
If the guys want to know how to fix this thing, all they have to do is look in the mirror...but self-reflection is hard as a group.
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