[PGT] Dallas something Flames not enough

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

How much worse are we this year than last as for penalties?

Last year this time (18 games) the flames had taken 62 minor penalties, 21st in the league.

This year (19 games) the flames have taken 85 minor penalties, 1st in the league.

The next closest team to calgary this year is the Washington Capitals with 78.

The sharks lead the league in total PIMs with 239. The Flames are in 2nd with 205. Vegas and ottawa in 3rd with 204. No other team in the league is above 200 yet.

[Vedder]

Lots of talk about Backlund and the second line, but at least they created chances at 5 on 5 last night.

Right now the first line is only getting looks on the powerplay, and they're getting buried at even strength. That continues to be the fundamental problem with the team. This is easily the worst stretch of Johnny's career, hopefully he can turn it around.

[djsFlames]

Not a lot of killer instinct on this club right now outside of the one Devils game. We need that game to be the way they play every other night rather than once in a blue moon. I cant believe they were worse than they were vs the Blues after two days of practice. No way is Dallas a better opponent than St Louis.

I didn't think just swapping Hathaway for Lucic would see the club become a farcry from the first two thirds of last season.

The waiting for Gaudreau to feel good again game is growing stale.

Yeah, maybe they come out and have a stronger next game but it doesn't detract from the truth that the team needs a heart transplant.

Might be worth looking at moving a core player in a lateral trade if the inconsistency continues. It's not the players individually, but this combination of them that just isn't appearing to be the recipe for succes that we're looking/hoping for.

[Teroy]

Might be a good idea to move Gaudreau to the second line for a while.

Tkachuk, Monahan, Lindholm
Gaudreau, Backlund, Frolik
Mangiapane, Bennett, Ryan

[flamesforcup]

We really need another top 6 centre and a good winger.

[bax]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I know Mangiapane is everyone's new favorite pet, but if he could lift a puck or take a pass he would have had 2 pretty easy goals last night.

I don't agree with this. He was in tight and falling down, it's not easy to pop the puck upstairs from there. He was trying to go around the pad, which to his credit he has scored that goal before against Colorado in the playoffs. Just tougher on a goalie that his 6'7.

Let's just be happy he is getting these chances, he will adapt and convert more often- that's part of being a young player in the league.

Reminds me of Paul Byron when everyone would rag on him for not capitalizing despite creating chances. Then he went to Montreal and became a 20 goal scorer.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

I'm in the same boat. Don't know if the game has changed, or my tastes have changed. Maybe both. I just don't see the entertainment value in the NHL that I used to.

I think for me the inconsistency in officiating is a part of it. I'd rather they go back to letting everything go than calling some penalties, some of the time.

Or maybe if they actually just called all penalties all the time, players would change they way they played. I'd gladly endure 2 seasons of non-stop powerplay hockey to achieve a better product.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm afraid this team is a bit broken.

Struggled down the stretch last year, then got absolutely creamed in the playoffs.

Confidence has to be really low, and then they didn't get the needed upgrades in the off season. Therein lies the next problem, the GM knew he needed to make a few upgrades/changes and made them, only to have most of them fall through....but only after the deals were made public, leaving us with players who knew they were basically out the door. You can say all you want about them taking it like pros, but they're only human and that can't be easy. Not to mention they have a guy on their roster who they bought out in the off season as well, then signed him back only after a long term injury to one of their young Dmen.

Luckily they've managed to stay in the thick of it to this point, but something needs to happen to get these guys all pulling in the same direction. It's the only way they will be able to overcome their glaring weaknesses that Treliving tried fixing this off season.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Might be a good idea to move Gaudreau to the second line for a while.

Tkachuk, Monahan, Lindholm
Gaudreau, Backlund, Frolik
Mangiapane, Bennett, Ryan

Why move him to our shut down line that primarily takes defensive zone assignments. How does this help him re-gain confidence in his offensive skills?

[Erick Estrada]

Not sure what sources Friedman getting his information from but on 960 this morning he implied that Peters was grinding the players too much.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not sure what Freidman is hearing but on 960 this morning he implied that Peters was grinding the players too much.

He said as much last weekend on HNIC too. That they're hearing the same song too often I think is how he described it.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Toonage

He said as much last weekend on HNIC too. That they're hearing the same song too often I think is how he described it.

That almost sounds like Friedman is saying Peters' has lost the room.

What an idiot that Friedman guy must be.

[SuperMatt18]

Immediately after both Boomer and Sarich said they didn't think that Peters was being too hard on the guys.

Really there has been no indication in the local media or at practices that Peters is being too tough on the guys or grinding them too hard.

Tough to see if that is really what is happening behind the scenes at this point.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

That almost sounds like Friedman is saying Peters' has lost the room.

What an idiot that Friedman guy must be.

It raises some interesting questions. If his being tough isn't apparent to media attending skates, then when does this occur? Clearly something is up as agents' have talked to Friedman or expressed some concern over it. At least that's how I assume he gets this info.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

That almost sounds like Friedman is saying Peters' has lost the room.

What an idiot that Friedman guy must be.

Fixed that for you.

If you just stopped with your first statement that would be enough, but you have to constantly be condescending to the rest of the board and tell us how the rest of us are fools for not agreeing with you. It's not a good look to constantly consider yourself "the smartest guy in the room". Do you really want to be like Weisbrod?

[Saqe]

Wouldn't be the biggest surprise, it happened in Carolina too. But it does seem really early this being his second season with the Flames. Players should take some responsibility too if that's the case.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Why move him to our shut down line that primarily takes defensive zone assignments. How does this help him re-gain confidence in his offensive skills?

Who says this is about confidence? Did you ever consider that he's not the player everyone thought he was and the rest of the league has figured him out. Besides, some defensive experience will probably help because he's a tire fire in our zone.

[BrennyBaller]

Originally Posted by Toonage

It raises some interesting questions. If his being tough isn't apparent to media attending skates, then when does this occur? Clearly something is up as agents' have talked to Friedman or expressed some concern over it. At least that's how I assume he gets this info.

I don't know if this is accurate. I have a close connection in the org (hate to be that guy...) and during a recent meeting, Peters said he used his first go in the room in an intermission and rip them apart against the Coyotes in the second intermission. He said he only gets about 3-4 of these a year before they lose effectiveness.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

I don't know if this is accurate. I have a close connection in the org (hate to be that guy...) and during a recent meeting, Peters said he used his first go in the room in an intermission and rip them apart against the Coyotes in the second intermission. He said he only gets about 3-4 of these a year before they lose effectiveness.

Don't be afraid to be that guy, this is good info and I appreciate it.

Just speculation on my part that if Freidman is saying something, its usually because an agent has told him something. This is more the case in trade scenarios but I thought it might apply here. I shouldn't have sounded so definitive.

[UKflames]

Blimey if the players are tuning Peter's out already then they need to pull up their big boy pants and get back to work. How many coaches have we been through with this core and with huge varieties of results, some excellent and some really poor, but ultimately failure and coaches being sent packing. You can only blame coach after coach for so long before players need to start looking in the mirror and taking responsibility.
I am sure people will say we should have got a Stanley cup winning coach and not Peter's but that doesn't guarantee success either.