09-05-2019, 07:04 AM
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#101
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Good grief.
Just sign the godamn contract and get your ass to training camp on time. Unbelievable
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depends. lets say the issue is a one way vs two way.
do you think he'd be justified in holding out for a one way deal?
he might feel his play deserves the certainty of a one way deal.
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09-05-2019, 07:17 AM
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#102
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Franchise Player
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If he is being offered a one way contract he better sign it. There are other prospects and Czarnick that could easily replace him if they have good camps. He can't afford to miss any camp. Even a couple of the PTo's that were signed yesterday actually have a chance of making the team with good camps.
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09-05-2019, 07:19 AM
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#103
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GordonBlue
depends. lets say the issue is a one way vs two way.
do you think he'd be justified in holding out for a one way deal?
he might feel his play deserves the certainty of a one way deal.
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He doesnt have to worry about that if he doesnt sign soon because no one will take a flyer on an unproven, undersized hold out after 54 games. I love Mangiapane and what he could be...but the drop off from him to Czarnik at this point of his career is minimal, so he has zero leverage. The risk of him losing a year on his career prospects may be that he never gets a chance in the NHL again.
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09-05-2019, 07:47 AM
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#104
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Good grief.
Just sign the godamn contract and get your ass to training camp on time. Unbelievable
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So, if they are offering him a two way contract with the minimum if he makes the team and $80,000 in the AHL, he should sign it?
Without knowing the details of what he is being offered, your post is ridiculous.
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09-05-2019, 07:57 AM
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#105
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Good grief.
Just sign the godamn contract and get your ass to training camp on time. Unbelievable
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What? It’s a negotiation... who’s supposed to ‘just accept the contract ‘ the player or the organization?
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09-05-2019, 09:22 AM
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#106
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Sec206
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Listening to the guys on the Fan talk about this being about 2vs1 way deal drives me crazy. They make it sound that a two way contract means that a guy can be sent down without passing through waivers, as opposed to a one way deal that would make a player more secure to stay because they would have to pass though waivers.
The only difference between the two is the pay structure based on where the player is playing. How do they not get this?!?!?
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09-05-2019, 09:32 AM
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#107
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Originally Posted by theslymonkey
Listening to the guys on the Fan talk about this being about 2vs1 way deal drives me crazy. They make it sound that a two way contract means that a guy can be sent down without passing through waivers, as opposed to a one way deal that would make a player more secure to stay because they would have to pass though waivers.
The only difference between the two is the pay structure based on where the player is playing. How do they not get this?!?!?
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It's tough to understand a 15 year old cap environment for the only sport in town when your job is basically to understand and comment on said sport.
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09-05-2019, 09:34 AM
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#108
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theslymonkey
Listening to the guys on the Fan talk about this being about 2vs1 way deal drives me crazy. They make it sound that a two way contract means that a guy can be sent down without passing through waivers, as opposed to a one way deal that would make a player more secure to stay because they would have to pass though waivers.
The only difference between the two is the pay structure based on where the player is playing. How do they not get this?!?!?
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In case you haven't noticed, most of the people working is sports media are idiots, especially when it comes to the money side of the game.
Hell, we still have major media people spouting the nonsense that the reason why escrow is high is because of the use of the escalator in projecting HRR, or that the escalator increases the cap beyond actual revenue growth.
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09-05-2019, 10:15 AM
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#109
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by tkflames
He doesnt have to worry about that if he doesnt sign soon because no one will take a flyer on an unproven, undersized hold out after 54 games. I love Mangiapane and what he could be...but the drop off from him to Czarnik at this point of his career is minimal, so he has zero leverage. The risk of him losing a year on his career prospects may be that he never gets a chance in the NHL again.
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If I was in his position I'd have probably signed. he's got a good grip on a NHL job, with a fair chance this year to prove he's here to stay.
Why risk that?
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09-05-2019, 02:06 PM
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#110
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary
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I hope we get this signed and back on the ice asap! Would love to see a lot of Dube and Magnipane preseason!
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09-05-2019, 02:32 PM
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#111
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GordonBlue
If I was in his position I'd have probably signed. he's got a good grip on a NHL job, with a fair chance this year to prove he's here to stay.
Why risk that?
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Maybe they are offering him 2 years at $1 million and he wants the Czarnik contract of two years at $1.25 million.
He has proven as much as Czarnik did when he got his contract.
An extra 500k is a huge deal to someone who hasn't made any significant money yet.
But we don't know so its all pure speculation.
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09-05-2019, 03:01 PM
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#112
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
Maybe they are offering him 2 years at $1 million and he wants the Czarnik contract of two years at $1.25 million.
He has proven as much as Czarnik did when he got his contract.
An extra 500k is a huge deal to someone who hasn't made any significant money yet.
But we don't know so its all pure speculation.
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If so, his problem is that he has very little leverage. He needs to play to further his career. A holdout does nothing for him. In fact, even missing camp probably puts him a step towards not being in the lineup. If Dube has a dynamite rookie camp, the pressure is increased. And the PTOs for DSP and Reider can't make him too comfortable either.
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09-05-2019, 03:10 PM
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#113
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by Corral
i certainly hope they sign Tkachuk to a bridge deal that is below the Giordano cap, and tell him to go wherever he wants on the next deal for as much as some fool will pay him. Use the extra cash to sign the essential extra pieces to build a champion and go for it in the next three years. You want to sign someone to a 9 to 10 mil AAV - sign a true superstar. Tkachuk is good and an important cog in the Flames machine, but he is not a true superstar.
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I'd argue that Tkachuk has the potential to be the face of the franchise for the next 10+ years. Guy has nearly everything in his repertoire. Just put up 77 points as a 21-year-old and comes from better hockey bloodlines than most anyone.
Telling him to kick rocks probably means overpaying for more mediocre UFA talent in the future—likely a grievous mistake.
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09-05-2019, 04:24 PM
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#114
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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It’s alsi important to remember the Tkachuk does what he does on the 2nd line and 2nd power play unit. IMO, he is a first line talent playing lower on the roster than we would be on most teams. With Johnny locked in for a while, I can see why Tkachuk would want to control his destiny sooner rather than later. I think he is driven to be be the #1 winger wherever he plays.
Not a popular opinion I am sure, but I would trade Johnny for an equally productive RW and move Tkachuk to the top line. His playmaking abilities are not far behind Johnny’s. Johnny’s contract probably gives him even more value in a trade.
Now I will duck for cover.
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09-05-2019, 04:34 PM
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#115
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oil Stain
Maybe they are offering him 2 years at $1 million and he wants the Czarnik contract of two years at $1.25 million.
He has proven as much as Czarnik did when he got his contract.
An extra 500k is a huge deal to someone who hasn't made any significant money yet.
But we don't know so its all pure speculation.
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Czarnik was a UFA. Apples and oranges. Eat Bread has almost zero leverage, unless he wants to sit out. Which would be extremely stupid of him.
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09-05-2019, 04:43 PM
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#116
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Mangiapne's agent says they have a 1 year offer on the table to the Flames:
Scott Cruickshank @ByCruickshank
.@NHLFlames camp looms.
* Valimaki is out.
* Tkachuk is in St. Louis.
* Mangiapane is waiting. (Agent Ritch Winter said he made a one-year offer in August, "which fairly reflects Andrew's market value based on players the team provided as comparables.")
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09-05-2019, 04:48 PM
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#117
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Guy has 13 career NHL points...take whatever the Flames offer and get your ass to camp
GM has bigger fish to fry
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09-05-2019, 04:49 PM
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#118
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Guy has 13 career NHL points...take whatever the Flames offer and get your ass to camp
GM has bigger fish to fry
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Maybe the Flames want 2 years.
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09-05-2019, 04:52 PM
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#119
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Edmonton,AB
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Cant see the flames budging at all they have all the leverage
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09-05-2019, 05:01 PM
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#120
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
Czarnik was a UFA. Apples and oranges. Eat Bread has almost zero leverage, unless he wants to sit out. Which would be extremely stupid of him.
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You're right about the difference between UFA and RFA.
Sitting out and not playing would obviously not be good.
If he isn't getting offered a one way and chooses to go to Europe ala Giordano that may or may not be stupid.
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