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Red · 02-23-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

So Roger Millions just asked Boomer if a contract extension would have to happen first. Boomer responds with "100%".

How would that work?

Assume that Tre has a contract draft already, just need a few numbers to add and it's ready to sign. Ottawa would let Tre talk contract after the trade pieces were agreed on.

TheScorpion · 02-23-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

So Roger Millions just asked Boomer if a contract extension would have to happen first. Boomer responds with "100%".

How would that work?

Ottawa could grant the Flames permission to talk to Stone's agent if trade talks were that far along. We saw something similar with the Nick Jensen trade-and-sign yesterday.

Enoch Root · 02-23-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

So Roger Millions just asked Boomer if a contract extension would have to happen first. Boomer responds with "100%".

How would that work?

They would ask Ottawa for permission to talk to the player. Happens all the time.

Two Fivenagame · 02-23-2019, 05:09 PM

Wow...that would be ballsy.

I like it!

Reggie Dunlop · 02-23-2019, 05:10 PM

Ottawa will want a king's ransom for an impact player like Mark Stone. A late first-rounder and second tier prospects won't do it. They'll want as close to a blue-chipper as they can get. We're talking Juuso Valimaki here.

A roster player, Valimaki and a first rounder.

Hells Bells · 02-23-2019, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

So he has been THAT much better than Lindholm this year?

I don't believe it.

I love Lindholm but Stone is the better player.

Stone has 62pts +13 on a brutal Sens team while playing away from Duchene and Dzingel.

Lindholm is great, but Stone can produce by himself.

Vinny01 · 02-23-2019, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Ottawa will want a king's ransom for an impact player like Mark Stone. A late first-rounder and second tier prospects won't do it. They'll want as close to a blue-chipper as they can get. We're talking Juuso Valimaki here.

A roster player, Valimaki and a first rounder.

It won’t be Valimaki it might be Kylington and Dube with the 1sts though

icecube · 02-23-2019, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Ottawa will want a king's ransom for an impact player like Mark Stone. A late first-rounder and second tier prospects won't do it. They'll want as close to a blue-chipper as they can get. We're talking Juuso Valimaki here.

A roster player, Valimaki and a first rounder.

They can want until they are blue in the face. They won't get. But we will.

browna · 02-23-2019, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yes, I doubt Michael Stone would go to Ottawa if the Flames wanted to sign Mark Stone. Neal has negative value, Ryan is probably pretty close to even.

And if Backlund has a no movement clause, that basically just leaves Frolik and Brodie.

Frolik definitely makes the most sense. But I'm pretty sure the Flames would have to send more money to the Sens in order to re-sign Stone and Tkachuk.

Well, Brodie and Frolik have 10 or so team NTC too, so who knows if Ottawa is on there.

Enoch Root · 02-23-2019, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Ottawa will want a king's ransom for an impact player like Mark Stone. A late first-rounder and second tier prospects won't do it. They'll want as close to a blue-chipper as they can get. We're talking Juuso Valimaki here.

A roster player, Valimaki and a first rounder.

The thing is though, that the other teams (WPG and NAS) are only interested in Smith as a rental. Hard to say what BOS is thinking, but if the Flames are the only team that wants him signed, they would by default have the best offer and would basically have no competition on the offer.

The fact that Treliving is looking this hard at it says to me that the price is tolerable.

Textcritic · 02-23-2019, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hells Bells

I love Lindholm but Stone is the better player.

Stone has 62pts +13 on a brutal Sens team while playing away from Duchene and Dzingel.

Lindholm is great, but Stone can produce by himself.

Lindholm can also produce on his own. I don't think the separation between them is all that much.

Textcritic · 02-23-2019, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Ottawa will want a king's ransom for an impact player like Mark Stone. A late first-rounder and second tier prospects won't do it. They'll want as close to a blue-chipper as they can get. We're talking Juuso Valimaki here.

A roster player, Valimaki and a first rounder.

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dean Molberg @960boomer
And for fans worried about trading Valimaki, the team loves him. My guess is he is as close to untouchable as it gets for Treliving.

topfiverecords · 02-23-2019, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cracher

Is it really that hard to figure out if he wants to sign? Have his bro send a text?

“Hey Bro, if you get traded here do you want the salary I’m getting from the Flames and then a bunch more? I’ll be traded to make room I’m sure.”

TheScorpion · 02-23-2019, 05:15 PM

When it comes to team-relative Corsi%, Mark Stone is literally at the 100th percentile in the entire NHL. No player has to deal with a worse team than Stone does, and yet he puts up unbelievable possession numbers, on par with the absolute best.

Some people talk about how good McDavid would be if he were on a decent or good team, but Mark Stone has to put up with much worse on the ice in Ottawa. He'd be an absolute firecracker here.

theslymonkey · 02-23-2019, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by browna

Well, Brodie and Frolik have 10 or so team NTC too, so who knows if Ottawa is on there.

Sens won't be trading for vets. It'll be picks and prospects only.

Enoch Root · 02-23-2019, 05:17 PM

I would put Stone and Lindholm pretty much on par (this year's Lindholm, and it's new territory for him)

Regardless, with Stone, you're talking about 5 - FIVE - of the top 40 or 50 forwards in the league.

sureLoss · 02-23-2019, 05:17 PM

Dean Molberg @960boomer
If they do go big game hunting, Valimaki might be off limits but the price will be very high. No Prout, Gawdin and a 3rd... I think teams are very well aware of the youth movement in Calgary.

Bunk · 02-23-2019, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

When it comes to team-relative Corsi%, Mark Stone is literally at the 100th percentile in the entire NHL. No player has to deal with a worse team than Stone does, and yet he puts up unbelievable possession numbers, on par with the absolute best.

Some people talk about how good McDavid would be if he were on a decent or good team, but Mark Stone has to put up with much worse on the ice in Ottawa. He'd be an absolute firecracker here.

Imagine how good he could be in Calgary with the quality of team we have and the type of linemates we could pair him with. That is why Tre probably sees this as something almost too good to pass up.

calgARI · 02-23-2019, 05:18 PM

Wouldn't surprise me if Bennett were involved, if Stone is signed. Not saying I'd want that, but I think Bennett could be moved in the next little while.

TheScorpion · 02-23-2019, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by calgARI

Wouldn't surprise me if Bennett were involved, if Stone is signed. Not saying I'd want that, but I think Bennett could be moved in the next little while.

In lieu of writing a long post, let me just say: that would suck.