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Old 02-03-2019, 07:11 PM   #101
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In your opinion he isn't.

Late first rounder that's most likely never to be an impact player in the NHL. And is at least 3/4 years away from getting a taste.

Or...

A proven playoff impact player who can score and grind the other team down. Even if he doesn't sign, I still think he is worth the rental.
Ferland has 13 career playoff games and 5 points. He was good against the Canucks but I'm not sure he is a proven playoff performer. Pretty small sample and that Canucks team was about as bad a playoff team as you are ever gonna see
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:13 PM   #102
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That ship has sailed. I really don't think Ferland is a good fit anymore.

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Old 02-03-2019, 07:14 PM   #103
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I like the idea of Zuccarelo particularly if the availability of others makes him a second tier choice at a lower cost
I like that too. But with no 2nd round pick, would a package where highest pick is a 3rd rounder get it done? Unless one of the prospects is on the table, but I’m not sure any carry higher than a 3rd round grade.
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:19 PM   #104
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Bennett and Neal come to mind as inconsistent. They both make more money and Ferland is better than both
Neal was one of the most consistent goal scorers in the league when he signed his deal
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:26 PM   #105
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Neal was one of the most consistent goal scorers in the league when he signed his deal
Yeah im hoping he returns to that form. It would make a big difference to the team.
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:29 PM   #106
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A late 1st to trade for a rental is perfectly fine with me. This is the year to go ALL IN. This will probably be our best chance at the Cup for who knows how long.

Big thing that worries me is our goaltending what if Rittich was to get hurt or started struggling/tired out
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I think we make 2 moves and I think our 1st is part of the big move.

The second trade will be for a backup goalie.

Our window is now. The team won't go into the playoffs without a more dependable backup or additional grit in the middle 6.
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:35 PM   #108
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It seemed to me that he was just throwing out names.

He said “teams we think have their 1st rounder in play”. Kind of a throwaway comment. He wouldn’t even say he’d heard and instead said we and named 3 teams, one of which was Calgary.
Yup I agree he was just making a general statemen. ANY team that is a serious contender, will always have their "1st round pick in play", at the trade deadline if the deal is right. This is obvious.
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:39 PM   #109
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How bad did it suck waiting until the 3rd round in to draft Max Reinhart in 2010, it wasn't that bad as we walked away with Micheal Ferland in the 5th round.

And that pick turned out to be #13 (Brandon Gormley) This year's pick should be late 20's.

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Old 02-03-2019, 07:55 PM   #110
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If you had to pick, and for the purposes of this post, they cost the same, would you rather have Ferland or Byron?

I'd be torn myself. Both would be great fits. Probably go with Ferland.
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Old 02-03-2019, 08:05 PM   #111
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Byron is a horrible fit. Team is already too small and soft. Need some size and some toughness.
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If you had to pick, and for the purposes of this post, they cost the same, would you rather have Ferland or Byron?

I'd be torn myself. Both would be great fits. Probably go with Ferland.
I love Byron but it's Ferland:

- We don't need Byron's PKing as we have six-eight guys who can do it (Backlund/Lindholm/Ryan/Hathaway/Frolik/Jankowski/Bennett/Dube)
- Byron's a bit undersized so he would be a tough fit on a line with Ryan. On the flip side Ferland makes space for little guys and could be the difference maker that gets a guy like Mangiapane or Czarnik or Neal going. Ferland-Bennett-Neal anyone?
- Ferland's not Byron fast, but I wager he's still as fast as Bennett and Ryan in our bottom six. His speed is an asset to our bottom six just like his size is.
- Ferland is a flat out top tier 5v5 producer. He may not be Lindholm on special teams or defensively, but there is a serious case to be made that the Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland line at 5v5 was flat out elite and having that as a backup option could tilt a series if our current gop line gets contained or gameplanned for. People saying Ferland was just riding his linemates' coattails weren't watching the many things he brought to a very successful line.
- And finally while it gets overplayed as a narrative, there is no denying Ferland's physical game can change the momentum of a playoff series.

That said Byron would be a cool pickup too. Add some elite gamebreaking speed, but he would need to play with Bennett and Neal, not Ryan and Hathaway, just because you'd need a shooter on his line.
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Byron is small but I wouldn’t call him soft. I’d find a spot for him on my team.
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Old 02-03-2019, 08:30 PM   #114
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What would Ottawa's ask be for Mark Stone?

What I'd think it would be...

2019 First Rounder
Blue Chip prospect: Juuso Valimaki
Roster Player: Mark Jankowski
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Old 02-03-2019, 08:37 PM   #115
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What would Ottawa's ask be for Mark Stone?

What I'd think it would be...

2019 First Rounder
Blue Chip prospect: Juuso Valimaki
Roster Player: Mark Jankowski
Maybe an extended Mark Stone.

That's a bit much for a rental.
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What would Ottawa's ask be for Mark Stone?

What I'd think it would be...

2019 First Rounder
Blue Chip prospect: Juuso Valimaki
Roster Player: Mark Jankowski
That may be the ask...no way they are getting anywhere near that

they got less for Erik Karlsson with a full year left on his contract
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I would do the first, Janko and a prospect
Problem is coming up with a prospect that isn’t Jusso that gets it done
Dube? Boy I’d be tempted
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:14 PM   #118
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I don't think the Flames trade the first unless its for a player they are confident they can bring back next season.

Tre even said it himself...you don't worry too much about next years cap right now "things can be cleaned up in the summer"

If you have a chance to get Stone and sign him DO IT
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Skinner for the 1st. He'll fit in nicely with all the former Canes.
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Skinner for the 1st. He'll fit in nicely with all the former Canes.
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