Nick Sandmann MAGA Kid Thread

[afc wimbledon]

the kid on the left appears to be flashing the OK hand sign as well which has become, weirdly, an alt right white power symbol in the last 2 or 3 years, of course he could be British at giving it the 'your a *anker' motion but that seems unlikely in Kentucky

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

the kid on the left appears to be flashing the OK hand sign as well which has become, weirdly, an alt right white power symbol in the last 2 or 3 years, of course he could be British at giving it the 'your a *anker' motion but that seems unlikely in Kentucky

holy hell



3 points

Beyond that, anyone who unironically thinks the "OK" hand sign actually means "white power" is absolutely deranged.

[troutman]

[Cecil Terwilliger]

hahahahahahaha. Oh boy. This thread has jumped the shark.

I think this is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with political discourse, outrage culture and witch hunts nowadays.

What matters here isn't logic, reason and evidence. It's about which side you've chosen before hearing any of the facts involved.

Does anyone actually care if these kids are normal christian teens caught up in a bizarre controversy or an insane murderous modern version of Hitler Youth?

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by troutman

That's a great take troutman. I can easily see how it's funny to suggest this kid is going to become a rapist because he smirked at a stranger beating a drum directly in his face.

Or is the joke that Kavanaugh was just like the kid, white and privileged? I can't keep track of these hot takes. Help a dude out.

[Ashasx]

It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence.

There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence.

There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called.

Sounds a lot like walking down the street while black in a nice neighborhood.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by icecube

Sounds a lot like walking down the street while black in a nice neighborhood.

Oh I get it now. Life is hard black, so, **** whitey, time for him to pay too?

edit: her to pay too? It to pay too? They? What pronoun is proper here?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

holy hell



3 points

Beyond that, anyone who unironically thinks the "OK" hand sign actually means "white power" is absolutely deranged.

Context is everything, if your basketball player walks into the locker room, sees his friend and shouts out 'hey my ******' it is totally different from Trump looking over at Ben Carson and shouting 'hey my ******* get me a coffee'

[icecube]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I don't need to read up on racism and prejuidice. My Mom and Baba told me stories about coming to Canada as Ukrainians. My Mom had to learn English here and wore different clothes. She was beat up weekly, taunted, bullied, constantly. Being different can suck, and people often can suck. What doesn't help is assuming everything is racist and going from there. Its toxic. Your attitude, your views on these matters, they're all very toxic.

Now imagine all of that and add the stigma of skin colour and an entire political and economic system set up to benefit white people at the expense of the black and indigenous person for a couple centuries. We are only in the beginnings of trying to dismantle all of this. Never forget that. This isn't toxic. This is the absolute truth.

[TheIronMaiden]

NM, I regret even oping this thread.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

hahahahahahaha. Oh boy. This thread has jumped the shark.

I think this is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with political discourse, outrage culture and witch hunts nowadays.

What matters here isn't logic, reason and evidence. It's about which side you've chosen before hearing any of the facts involved.

Does anyone actually care if these kids are normal christian teens caught up in a bizarre controversy or an insane murderous modern version of Hitler Youth?

The more disturbing part is who they might become as adults. Let's not pretend attending the March for Life and wearing MAGA hats aren't anything but supporting the idea of taking someone else's rights away.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Context is everything, if your basketball player walks into the locker room, sees his friend and shouts out 'hey my ******' it is totally different from Trump looking over at Ben Carson and shouting 'hey my ******* get me a coffee'

You're right, context is everything.

Good thing they are at a basketball game. In 2015. Before the "OK" sign was actually thought by anyone to mean "white power".

How people have actually fallen for this 4chan meme is hilarious.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

holy hell



3 points

Beyond that, anyone who unironically thinks the "OK" hand sign actually means "white power" is absolutely deranged.

Google it, I have no idea why and agree its stupid, but for some reason fringe elements of the alt right are trying to co opt the OK sign.

[robbie111]

Hmm googled it and it is the secret satanic sign for 666. Good to know.

[PepsiFree]

I still maintain that it looks like he’s doing the “rock n roll” symbol.

[BBQorMILDEW]

Originally Posted by icecube

Try to imagine what it's like being black. Try to imagine what it's like being indigenous. Actually deeply think about it. Read up on the black and indigenous perspectives on race and class. Do you imagine it might be... exhausting?

I’m pretty sure that Lebron James kids have more privilege than my little half Lebanese boy. Would you say that he has “black privilege?” What about Tiger Woods, are his kids “kept down by the man?” Colin Powell’s kids? Obama? It’s class privilege, you should look it up one day.

Your logic is completely flawed. Its a shame that they let your kind teach our youth.

Disclaimer

*your kind means a stupid person....

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You're right, context is everything.

Good thing they are at a basketball game. In 2015. Before the "OK" sign was actually thought by anyone to mean "white power".

How people have actually fallen for this 4chan meme is hilarious.

This is really the truth about the core of MAGA. There's certainly racist elements to it, but in general they're just trolls and all they wanna do is "own the libs". They're #### disturbers basically.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by icecube

Try to imagine what it's like being black. Try to imagine what it's like being indigenous. Actually deeply think about it. Read up on the black and indigenous perspectives on race and class. Do you imagine it might be... exhausting?

There is a lot of systematic and casual racism and bigotry in most western nations including Canada and certainly the USA. Wherever racism is exposed, particularly of the systematic variety or by someone in a position of power (eg. Steve King) it should be loudly condemned.

But...

Magnifying what is likely ignorant behavior by a mob of kids as being blatantly racist and treating it as vigorously as Charlottesville, Trump, Steve King, David Duke, etc. not only does not help the cause to fight racism, it actively hurts it. People that do this are akin to the Boy-Who-Cried-Wolf and their claims are taken less and less seriously each time even when the subsequent claims are serious.

When I was 16 I didn't understand jack-all about most things in the world, including racism, even though I'm considered a minority. Are these kids the poster boys of White Privilege? Probably. Was there malicious intent? Hard to say. If anything, it looked to me like they got caught up in the group-think/mob-mentality and were doing stupid 16 year old trolly crap rather than racist crap.

This incident featured three groups:

1- A large group of teenagers- were likely sent to an anti-abortion rally by their school/parents. These kids put on MAGA hats, some for good old-fashioned negative attention, others because they are "True Believers" and others to go along with the group. They ended up behaving like a mob of hormonal boys do: like idiots.

2- The Black Israelis- A small, fringe, extremist hate group that was present to stir up crap and get some attention.

3- The indigenous group- Not sure why they were present to begin with. The only reason they got involved, they claim, was to settle down the first two groups. Why that Elder wandered into the center of the mob and went face-to-face with that kid is beyond me. He said he was trying to make things better but instead made it worse. We've seen things like this end in violence so it's fortunate that everyone remained relatively calm.

So, let's not make this out to be something it's not or blow it out of proportion. It only hurts the fight against racism and bigotry.

[Itse]

This gets its own thread on CP? This?

And then reading the thread, just... What the? Strong competitor for the lowest quality "political" discussion on this forum ever.

I am honestly a bit shocked how easily the world goes crazy over dumb #### these days.