McDavid gets almost nothing going on the ice vs Backlund
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Hey now, let's not call names. If the mods actually do work around here, that's a sin bin violation. I haven't called out anyone personally. I am just voicing my opinion. I am glad you watch the Flames though That game against the Jackets was fun right?
What more do you want. You gave me two choices and I selected one.
I said, ‘Back it up or retract it.’ Instead, you presented a completely idiotic strawman and represented that as my argument. That is not selecting either one of the choices I offered; that's just being rude.
Now: Present evidence addressing your claim that the quality of shots by McDavid's line vs. Backlund's line is sufficiently higher than the quality of shots by Backlund's line vs. McDavid's line to overcome the disadvantage in quantity of shots. Bonus points if you can show that other top defensive lines in the NHL are doing any better against McDavid's line, since your position appears to be based on the claim that Backlund is not a good defensive centre.
Or else, you know, admit you don't have a case.
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He doesn't need to duh. His evidence is that McDavid gets scoring chances and points against the Flames and that means Backlund is overrated.
I will believe him when he shows McDavid performs better than his average against the Flames.
Honestly, I don't play with advanced stats much. I have consistently said that my opinion is based on what I watch during the games. However, if you do know how to run the "advanced stats", I would really like to know who gets more scoring chances when they are on the ice. McDavid line or Backlund? not shots, scoring chances.
Hey now, let's not call names. If the mods actually do work around here, that's a sin bin violation. I haven't called out anyone personally. I am just voicing my opinion. I am glad you watch the Flames though That game against the Jackets was fun right?
Now you're looking to pick a fight with us?
You're on a roll.
I said, ‘Back it up or retract it.’ Instead, you presented a completely idiotic strawman and represented that as my argument. That is not selecting either one of the choices I offered; that's just being rude.
Now: Present evidence addressing your claim that the quality of shots by McDavid's line vs. Backlund's line is sufficiently higher than the quality of shots by Backlund's line vs. McDavid's line to overcome the disadvantage in quantity of shots. Bonus points if you can show that other top defensive lines in the NHL are doing any better against McDavid's line, since your position appears to be based on the claim that Backlund is not a good defensive centre.
Or else, you know, admit you don't have a case.
That is a false statement. I said Jankowski would at least do 50% of what Backlund does.
My statement that Backlund is not "one of the best" (never said he isn't good) is based on the fact that he hasn't ever done much in the playoffs.
Honestly, I don't play with advanced stats much. I have consistently said that my opinion is based on what I watch during the games.
In other words, you don't need no steenkin' evidence. Or are you claiming to have 100% unbiased recall of each and every play made when Backlund and McDavid are both on the ice?
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I read this post, and I was going to reply: "See? You can post your opinion in a reasonable and adult manner."
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You know, I appreciate your posts and that is a fair statement. I feel like McDavid gets tons of high danger chances when he plays against the Flames. I would assume Backlund is on the ice against him. Generally, McDavid gets points against the Flames too.
I am just personally not very high on Backlund because he has yet to be an impact during a playoff series. Guys like Kesler and Bergeron are key contributors during the playoffs and I dont think backlund is that. Good player but not someone the team is going to suffer dearly without.
Then I read this...
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You are right.. every shot Backlund takes is a howitzer! I am so sorry sir.. I retract, i retract!
Anyone who watches the Flames knows that Backlund doesnt create his own office neither does he have a strong shot.
oh well
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This insufferable back and forth bickering that permeates almost every topic on this forum really drags the place down. ####, we don’t need a reiteration of your opinion over and over and over and over.
That being said, if that one goal is Backlund's legacy in the playoffs. I hope that changes quick. Otherwise, the Flames won't be going far into the playoffs.
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My statement that Backlund is not "one of the best" (never said he isn't good) is based on the fact that he hasn't ever done much in the playoffs.
That's an irrelevant and foolish criterion. The entire team hasn't ever done much in the playoffs. Is it Backlund's fault, for instance, that Elliott couldn't stop a beach ball the last time the Flames made the postseason?
You might as well say that Connor McDavid is not one of the best players because he hasn't ever done much in the playoffs. I mean, come on: he's only ever appeared in two playoff series and lost one of those!
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Didn’t see the trip last night on Backlund, but when I re-watched that final 3 minutes. It appears that the refs have in a lot ways screwed the Flames over. Because they decided not to make that call, we lose Lomberg to a suspension and now Backlund to however much time with a concussion. Thanks again stripes! If Gio gets suspended for the weekend, what disaster this whole situation will be.
How does a Practice Note thread turns into a Backlund bickering? If you guys continue on, it's gonna cost this thread to be locked. So, please, stop, thanks in advance.
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True, he has only been there once.. but that's not what the debate is about. It's about Backlund.
Sauce for the goose. If you're going to use team success to criticize Backlund's performance vs. McDavid, then it's fair game to criticize McDavid by the same standard. If one of those two arguments is silly, they both are.
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That's an irrelevant and foolish criterion. The entire team hasn't ever done much in the playoffs. Is it Backlund's fault, for instance, that Elliott couldn't stop a beach ball the last time the Flames made the postseason?
You might as well say that Connor McDavid is not one of the best players because he hasn't ever done much in the playoffs. I mean, come on: he's only ever appeared in two playoff series and lost one of those!
If I recall, Backlund wasn't much of a factor against any of the Flames series over the past few years. Other than the GWG against the Ducks, their first line with Getzlaf has dominated posession over the past two series. Whose job was it to stop them? I would guess Backlund, no?
Anyway, should get back to work. Backlund is a good player and probably my favourite player on the team. I have several jerseys with his name. That being said, I just don't consider him in the same class as guys like Kesler and Bergeron and think Jankowski will do a pretty solid job if given the chance.
You all have a wonderful weekend! Go Flames!
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That game against the Jackets was fun right?
