[GDT] Flames vs Stars, 7:00 MST. Sportsnet One, Fan 960

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That would be the highest number of games he has played in ANY league over the course of his entire career. David Rittich has not even played as many as 35-games in either of his AHL seasons. Expecting much more than 40–45 games from him at the highest level of hockey in the world is an extremely tall order. I think he will get there, but am sceptical it happens this year.

Some context is important for those numbers... of course he didn't play that many games in his second AHL season, he was called up to the NHL in November and stuck. The first season he split duties with Gillies, no surprise there.

The season before that however, in the Czech league, he started 48 games of his teams 52 games. Euro goalies coming over and setting career high in games played in the NHL isn't anything out of the ordinary, they just play less over there.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Wills mentions things that others might not be aware of, being closer to the team. I understand someone not liking him doing radio PBP, but his talks on F960 are very good.

For example, he elaborated on how differently the practices were between the Coyotes and the Flames, having sat in on both. The Coyotes were disorganized, had poor execution and players looked a little out of it. In contrast, the Flames practice was fast paced, crisp, and intense to the point that Peters had to stop the session early for fear of injuries.

You practice how you play. I am extremely happy to find out that Peters runs his practices like Hartley's or Tortorella's.

I don't think Wills really adds much. That comment about the practices was also made by Loubardias but he at least prefaced it by saying "now I don't think that practices always tell the story of how the game will go but..."

and I think that is actually the valuable insight, knowing that hey sometimes a team practices hard and they still suck.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Split98

This is just nutty. Giordano's first full season was 2009-10 and Bouwmeester had really entered the NHL in 2005-06. Bouw also already had 36 NHL points from his rookie NHL stint already under his belt, and Gio had 35 NHL points from his. They started off pretty evenly, but 4 years apart.

At the end of Gio's 19 point rookie year, Bouwmeester added 29 points to his total (lowest since 2003-04, with his new team) to his 232 point total

He wasn't the 40ish point defenseman we thought he was, and he hasn't been since he left Florida - but that is a pretty good defenceman Gio is passing at the same age.

Gio just blew the doors off the kid a lot of people were fawning over at the start of the race. He also started back in Russia and didn't reach the starting line before Bouw was approaching the mid-way point.

With all that you said, it's pretty amazing to think that Giordano will be one of the top 100 scoring defensemen in NHL history. He didn't even turn into a top pairing defenseman until 2009, so really he's only been doing this level of play for 9 years. Just think if he figured it out sooner or didn't go to Russia!

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

With all that you said, it's pretty amazing to think that Giordano will be one of the top 100 scoring defensemen in NHL history. He didn't even turn into a top pairing defenseman until 2009, so really he's only been doing this level of play for 9 years. Just think if he figured it out sooner or didn't go to Russia!

2009?

To be honest I don't think he was a top pairing player until being named captain in 2013-14. That's when he truly emerged as a top guy. Took the leadership and expanded role and ran with it.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

2009?

To be honest I don't think he was a top pairing player until being named captain in 2013-14. That's when he truly emerged as a top guy. Took the leadership and expanded role and ran with it.

I'm basing it on TOI and point production. You could argue 2010/11 was the year he really became a top pairing d-man with about 23 mins. TOI and 43 points. He's been around that mark ever since.

BTW, Giordano was the real captain of the team for the last couple years Iginla was here. It was pretty evident that Iginla was starting to check out of a leadership role knowing his time was coming to an end, and everyone said that Giordano was the only choice once Iginla was traded away. It had become Giordano's team well before he was ever named captain.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'm basing it on TOI and point production. You could argue 2010/11 was the year he really became a top pairing d-man with about 23 mins. TOI and 43 points. He's been around that mark ever since.

Fell flat the next two seasons though. After becoming captain is when he truly established himself.

BTW, Giordano was the real captain of the team for the last couple years Iginla was here. It was pretty evident that Iginla was starting to check out of a leadership role knowing his time was coming to an end, and everyone said that Giordano was the only choice once Iginla was traded away. It had become Giordano's team well before he was ever named captain.

Come on.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Fell flat the next two seasons though. After becoming captain is when he truly established himself.


Come on.

His point per game ratio in the next season fell by 0.08 and he still played 23 minutes a night. He also missed 20 games with injury. Is that falling flat to you?

Hard to say much about the lockout shortened season where the entire team was garbage and all the good assets were traded away, but Gio still played 23 minutes a night. Are those not top pairing minutes?

Look, we disagree on this point, it's fine. Let's move on.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Some context is important for those numbers... of course he didn't play that many games in his second AHL season, he was called up to the NHL in November and stuck. The first season he split duties with Gillies, no surprise there.

The season before that however, in the Czech league, he started 48 games of his teams 52 games. Euro goalies coming over and setting career high in games played in the NHL isn't anything out of the ordinary, they just play less over there.

That may be, but I don't think the difference of 15–20 games between the NHL and second- and third-tier European leagues is remotely trivial. I am fairly certain that this is a consideration the coaches are factoring in to their handling of Rittich.

[AC]

Flames need to do some damage this next stretch of games.

Nov 28th - home vs tired Dallas

Nov 30th - home vs tired LA

Dec 2nd - away, but vs a tired Chicago

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

His point per game ratio in the next season fell by 0.08 and he still played 23 minutes a night. He also missed 20 games with injury. Is that falling flat to you?

Hard to say much about the lockout shortened season where the entire team was garbage and all the good assets were traded away, but Gio still played 23 minutes a night. Are those not top pairing minutes?
.

Time on Ice isn't indicative of level of play. Jay Bouwmeester played just under 26 minutes per game during his three full seasons here under Brent Sutter. He wasn't a top pairing guy.

[hwy19man]

Pregame links.
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl-matchups.aspx?page=/data/NHL/matchups/g2_summary_5.html
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl-preview.aspx?page=/data/NHL/matchups/g2_preview_5.html
https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/pre...3&home=3&vis=9




Centre Ice channels for:
Wednesday, November 28
Calgary at San Jose, 1900h/7:00 pm Mountain
Flames feed in red

Game is on Sportsnet One and SN360 in Canada, therefore it is not on Centre Ice.

USA
Indemand - Game 5 SD Game HD5
Directv - 773 SD 773-1 HD
Dish - 577 SD No HD Hopper channel 475-05

Sirius Radio-- Siri 167 (Streaming 924)
XM Radio-- XM 167 (Internet 924)
SXM Radio-- SXM 167 (Internet 924)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That may be, but I don't think the difference of 15–20 games between the NHL and second- and third-tier European leagues is remotely trivial. I am fairly certain that this is a consideration the coaches are factoring into their handling of Rittich.

That plus he wilted under the pressure of being thrust into the role last year. He's definitely shown more confidence this year, but I don't blame them for treading lightly.

I'm not saying I agree with a 50-50 split or anything. But I do understand where they might be coming from in making it a gradual transition, especially considering strength of opposition over the next few games.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by 868904

Kylington was weak in the board battles but he made a few high end offensive plays. There was one setup for Neal (I think) that was very cool and showed off his vision and hockey IQ in the offensive end. That was probably the most impactful game i've seen him in at the NHL level. He certainly looks more confident. I think with Kylington, Flames are going to have to live with some defensive deficiencies.

As for the game itself. In the Gully era, this is the type of game the Flames lose. Tired opponent who lost with a poor effort the night before. Let's see if Peters can get these guys focused.

Yea it was a little touch pass through an opponent's stick right to Neal for the one T.

I think he has the highest offensive ceiling out of any of the young dmen on the team.

He is still learning the defensive side but has come a long way and doesn't look too bad from what I can tell in 1 game. He was very aggressive in his puck pressure so it seemed like he was all over the defensive zone but I really like him.

I think we have 4 × <22 year old NHL/soon to be NHL dmen on our hands.

[hwy19man]

The game is also on Sportsnet 360 and will be joined in progress on the West channel once the Sharks-Leafs game has ended.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

I hate the Stars. We either struggle against them or we win and Benn starts some shenanigans with Gaudreau, because he's a sore loser.

Flames win 6-1. Neal scores all 6 goals.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

News Update

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
David Rittich in the starter’s net this morning. Looks like he’ll start tonight vs. Dallas. Will confirm shortly.

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
Projected #Flames tonight vs. Dallas:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Bennett
Czarnik-Ryan-Neal
Dube-Jankowski-Hathaway

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Kylington-Andersson

Rittich

Thank goodness.
Not so much that Rittich gets the nod,though he should, just so that the babies can shut up for the day.

[Benched]

Dalton Prout (Defenseman) | Calgary Flames Call Up
The Flames have recalled Dalton Prout from his conditioning stint with Stockton (AHL).
Prout had one goal and two assists in four games during his conditioning stint. Despite being called back up, he is not expected to play Wednesday.

Source: @NHLFlames 11/28/18, 2:14 pm EST


per dailyfaceoff.com

[PugnaciousIntern]

Giordano hass such terrible skating mechanics. He and Brodie on the same pairing is like night and day. His shot motion is also very rigid.

Yet he’s a top NHL defenceman, is plenty fast enough and scores some pretty wicked snipes. Of all the players that we talk about who bring ‘intangibles’, to me Gio is the ultimate example. He not only maintains his game with effort and intensity, but he gets results from it. What an incredible leader.

[heep223]

Huge game for Dube. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him get sent down when Fro is back.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by AC

Flames need to do some damage this next stretch of games.

Nov 28th - home vs tired Dallas

Nov 30th - home vs tired LA

Dec 2nd - away, but vs a tired Chicago

Agreed. Good teams should get at least 4 points from this stretch, and should be aiming for 6.

These are the kind of stretches where the Flames have been maddeningly inconsistent in the past. The throttling of Arizona in an afternoon game gives me hope that maybe things have finally changed and the Flames will be prepared to take 2 points from every game.