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Old 10-28-2019, 11:13 AM   #101
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I don't think that is just bad luck. Jankowski has been victimized by cross-ice passes through the slot this season and goalies are being forced to attempt spectacular saves with him on the ice.
And his shooting percentage isn't bad luck either. His shots are invariably low percentage chances - outside muffins with a clear view for the goalie, or whapping at the goalie's pads when the save has pretty much been made already.
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:16 AM   #102
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Very frustrating because I think he has the hockey IQ, the size and the skill. Just doesn't use any of his tools to his advantage, and this year seems to be playing with less intensity than in prior years.

FWIW I think if he trained MMA in the summer he would be a better hockey player.
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:25 AM   #103
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Very frustrating because I think he has the hockey IQ, the size and the skill. Just doesn't use any of his tools to his advantage, and this year seems to be playing with less intensity than in prior years.

FWIW I think if he trained MMA in the summer he would be a better hockey player.
I'm actually not sure he has the right combination of speed and hockey IQ to play center at the NHL level. I think that actually leads to what looks like a lack of intensity, he's always thinking instead of just anticipating/reacting and he doesn't have the speed to catch up which causes him to be a little behind the play at times.

I think that's why he seems to be more intense on the PK - less thinking and just reacting and he has a very defined role on the PK.

Personally that's why I wouldn't mind seeing him on the wing where he doesn't have as much defensive responsibility. He's generally strong on the boards, and has a decent shot, lets see how he looks away from the middle of the ice.
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:44 AM   #104
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Jankowski to me is a worse version of Colborne. Infuriating and frustrating as he should be using his body a lot more, and just does not have the hockey IQ needed for the NHL

He's a fringe NHL at best, and it's time to move on. He is 25, he's not getting any better.
A poor man's Colborne. Sad but true. IMO there is no kind of hockey player more frustrating then the big large men who don't seem to know how to use their size to their advantage. Born with a large toolset, yet can never seem to translate it to the NHL level.


I still think he's an NHL player, but this season he's taken a step back like a lot of forwards have.
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:48 AM   #105
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If he had some grit to his game, Mark would be a solid bottom 6 center for any NHL team. But, he is not cutting it at this point. Wouldn't be shocked to see him traded during the offseason for an upgrade somewhere.
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:50 AM   #106
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Huge disappointment.

Even last year he left me wanting more, but he was a good PKer so he had a purpose.

This year, no offense, no PK, no grit, no cycle, no desire. Disappointing all around.
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Dude is 6'4" 215 pounds and has two hits this year... TWO.

Mark Jankowski is a disengaged bottom 6 player who was good at one thing last year and now that even seems to be a weakness.

He'll be the best player of the 2012 draft in ten years? He won't even be in the league by then given current trends.
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:04 PM   #108
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He was very promising when he finally broke through to pro. Great first year in the AHL followed by 17 goals as a rookie and 30+ points and a role of key penalty killer in year 2. He looks awful this season though and it has impacted how the bottom 6 looks.
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:09 PM   #109
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It might be a good time to move him as a 'reclaimation project' for another team.

There are some other teams questionable players with upside floating around who have been mentioned.

Logan Brown (Ottawa)
Micheal McLeod (NJ)
Eeli Tolvanen (Nash)

It might be worth gambling while Janko is still rolling off of a decent showing last year.
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:30 PM   #110
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At the Panthers game, I saw him make a hit behind Bobrovsky, and it was actually a good bone-shaker.

He's far too passive, and needs to talk to the same sports Psychologist that Monahan is, in becoming far more aggressive.
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:38 PM   #111
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I thought he showed up to camp in terrible shape. Early in preseason his skating was terrible and he was constantly behind the play. He also looked gassed 30 seconds into his shift, causing him to reach everywhere and get caught out of position.

It got a little better by the beginning of the season, but I just think he flat out didn't commit enough to training in the off-season. He looks noticeably slower than last year, and that's causing him to get caught defensively because his legs can't keep up. He's been overly-reliant on his reach to get him out of jams, but his hockey awareness has been really, really poor to start this year. This is not the mentally sharp player we saw for most of the year last year. His hockey IQ has always been a strength of his, but it's just not there right now.

He just looks like he doesn't care out there. Not sure if something is going on personally, but for a 25 year old to regress this badly, it's likely something mental. I openly wonder if he's just lost his passion for the game. Being a pro can be a grind, and unless you're extremely passionate it's hard to stay motivated. Perhaps he's just lost that. I hope he finds his passion again.
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I think there is something to the three guys mentioned in almost consummated trades all being crappy out of the gate. It sucks the details of those got out. Treliving now needs to get deals done to move those assets IMO, and the quicker the better.
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Old 10-28-2019, 04:50 PM   #114
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He's taken a step back this season. I don't see the Flames hanging on to him much longer. His penalty killing made him valuable last season but he's been brutal so far on the PK.
I wouldnt be surprised if we never see him play another game in Calgary again.
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Old 10-28-2019, 04:52 PM   #115
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I think there is something to the three guys mentioned in almost consummated trades all being crappy out of the gate. It sucks the details of those got out. Treliving now needs to get deals done to move those assets IMO, and the quicker the better.
Jankowski and Frolik have been bad but Brodie has been fine - outside of flopping on 2 on 1st but that's also him stuck in a bad situation.

Brodie doesn't get enough credit for helping Gio out too - so far this season.

Gio+Brodie:

CF%: 54.75%
XGF%: 55.9%
GF: 9
GA: 5

Gio w/o Brodie:
CF%: 47.9%
XGF%: 45.9%
GF:2
GA: 7

So maybe we shouldn't trade Brodie just yet. Frolik moved to clear up some cap space would be nice though. Jankowski doesn't save much cap and value is at an all time low, so maybe you hold on to him.
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It might be a good time to move him as a 'reclaimation project' for another team.

There are some other teams questionable players with upside floating around who have been mentioned.

Logan Brown (Ottawa)
Micheal McLeod (NJ)
Eeli Tolvanen (Nash
All those players are substantially younger and I think would be considered to have higher upside at this point.


I don't think any of these teams do it without a better offer.
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Old 10-28-2019, 05:29 PM   #117
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Jankowski and Frolik have been bad but Brodie has been fine - outside of flopping on 2 on 1st but that's also him stuck in a bad situation.

Brodie doesn't get enough credit for helping Gio out too - so far this season.

Gio+Brodie:

CF%: 54.75%
XGF%: 55.9%
GF: 9
GA: 5

Gio w/o Brodie:
CF%: 47.9%
XGF%: 45.9%
GF:2
GA: 7

So maybe we shouldn't trade Brodie just yet. Frolik moved to clear up some cap space would be nice though. Jankowski doesn't save much cap and value is at an all time low, so maybe you hold on to him.
I would keep him over Hamonic. Wonder what his ask is
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Old 10-28-2019, 05:31 PM   #118
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I would rather have Hamonic than Brodie but that's just me. He's a warrior.
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Old 10-28-2019, 06:26 PM   #119
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Wasn't a fan of the draft at the time

However, i did think that he did ok last year and that he looked to be a serviceable 3rd line center man...

the lack of physicality was always something that scouting reports noticed, but, he doesn't necessarily need to hit everything that moves - he just needs to use his frame to his advantage... So far, i hate to say, he's regressed and has looked very disinterested for the most part...

there's still time to turn things around, but he needs understand what kind of player he is and what he needs to be in the NHL
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Old 10-28-2019, 07:04 PM   #120
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He's going to be out of the league by 2021 is my guess.

The guy glides all over the ice, zero intensity, zero motor.

His one saving grace was his pk ability, but his inability to stop obvious cross seam passes makes him a liability.
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