the ongoing anti- racism, anti- oppression thread

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by icecube

You're already a lost cause my friend.

I mean, you are literally posting about how one race is inferior to another. This article contains plenty of negative generalized statements about traits that members of the white race exhibit (White Privilege, White Fragility, etc) and other sweeping generalizations.

This is some special kind of logic.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I mean, you are literally posting about how one race is inferior to another. This article contains plenty of negative generalized statements about traits that members of the white race exhibit (White Privilege, White Fragility, etc) and other sweeping generalizations.

This is some special kind of logic.

A white anti racist educator is racist... against white people... Man, talk about an oppressed and marginalized group.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by icecube

A white anti racist educator is racist... against white people... Man, talk about an oppressed and marginalized group.

Racism-

The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

The base definition has nothing to do with oppression or being marginalized.

[icecube]

Robin Diangelo, the lady who wrote the article and coined the term white fragility surely must be a "self loathing" caucasian.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Racism-

The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

The base definition has nothing to do with oppression or being marginalized.

Yeah, so explain how that definition applies to the article in question.

[driveway]

From the article icecube posted:

Social scientists understand racism as a multidimensional and highly adaptive system—a system that ensures an unequal distribution of resources between racial groups. Because whites built and dominate all significant institutions, (often at the expense of and on the uncompensated labor of other groups), their interests are embedded in the foundation of U.S. society.

(italics in original)

If anyone is interested, here is an article deconstructing the bias inherent in the OED and its definiton of racism. Which is the one PaperBagger'14 posted above.

While I'd hate to derail the thread into a semantic argument, I think it's important to recognize that using the dictionary as an argumentative tool is a flawed practice (both as it's an appeal to authority and because dictionaries have their own biases).

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by icecube

Yeah, so explain how that definition applies to the article in question.

Just from your snippets:

"we withdraw, defend, cry, argue, minimize, ignore, and in other ways push back"

"white people have extremely low thresholds"

"deeply internalized sense of superiority"

"We experience a challenge to our racial worldview as a challenge to our very identities as good, moral people"

[icecube]

This is all sounding eerily familiar to me lol.

https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/...017-shortlist/

Arndt’s framing of the incident, in which he is the victim, is an example par excellence of white fragility. Instead of meaningfully engaging with the issues around gender and racial differences in citizens’ experiences with law enforcement, Arndt created a dynamic in which he – and indeed white males in general – are the ‘real victims’. And Ardnt’s case is not unique.

White fragility is what allows white Americans, for example, who represent 76% of the country’s millionaires, 84% of its professors, and 96% of Fortune 500 CEOs, to react defensively whenever they are presented with this information, and so to believe that they are systematically victimized because of their racial identity. White fragility is dangerous precisely because it allows individuals with more power to reframe discussions about justice in a way that will only reinforce the power that they already have.

The Plainfield police department is now known across the country for a situation in which one white, male officer felt victimized, instead of for their work trying to address structural inequalities in policing. And that’s what white fragility does: it takes the story away from the victims of discrimination and gives it back to the perpetrators, who then use it as a weapon to defend the unjust status quo.

[PepsiFree]

It’s strange that certain posters are so deeply invested in latching on to and pointing out anything that even remotely suggests “racism” against white people, even if their examples miss the mark completely, while being totally disinterested in the thread otherwise.

“Hey, an anti-racism and anti-oppression thread where people are sharing stories about their encounters with racism. Better go make an ass of myself and frantically point out things I think are hypocritical to ensure white people look like the REAL victims!

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by icecube

A white anti racist educator is racist... against white people... Man, talk about an oppressed and marginalized group.

That's the beauty of bad ideas, it doesn't matter what colour your skin is or what your academic credentials are, they are still bad ideas.

Suppose I did grant you the point (which I won't) that it's OK because a white person said it. Does that mean that if a person of colour posted this article it would be considered racist? I mean, I don't have to look very hard to seek articles about White Privilege and White Fragility written by people who are not white.

You can defend your point better than this.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s strange that certain posters are so deeply invested in latching on to and pointing out anything that even remotely suggests “racism” against white people, even if their examples miss the mark completely, while being totally disinterested in the thread otherwise.

Articles like the one icecube posted only serve to continue to sow racial divisions inside the country and drive more people into the arms of white nationalism than they dissuade.

“Hey, an anti-racism and anti-oppression thread where people are sharing stories about their encounters with racism. Better go make an ass of myself and frantically point out things I think are hypocritical to ensure white people look like the REAL victims!

A few people posted in their experiences in this thread after it had been up for a while, but let's not pretend that icecube started it with that in mind. He posted a few articles about incidents of racism.

Again, someone who claims to be "anti-racist" should probably be opposed to racism in all forms, not just the ones that are convenient to their narrative or world view.

I find it sad that almost no one comments on one of the single most disturbing incidentsin this thread brought up by Nage Waza where he was attacked. But I guess that isn't the right kind of racism to talk about.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

This is not an anti-oppression thread, it's a religion thread. A very thinly veiled forum for icecube to preach his noxious evangel. The left-leaning posters in here defending him, like Pepsifree, really need to think twice. This is like a bunch of conservative posters coming in supporting a TexasFlamesFan thread.

Just because he's on the same ideological bandwidth as you does not make you allies. He makes people who believe what you believe look absolutely awful by association, and you're doing him the favour of inviting that association. Yeesh.

[icecube]

I wonder how long it will take to get a bingo.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is not an anti-oppression thread, it's a religion thread. A very thinly veiled forum for icecube to preach his noxious evangel. The left-leaning posters in here defending him, like Pepsifree, really need to think twice. This is like a bunch of conservative posters coming in supporting a TexasFlamesFan thread.

Just because he's on the same ideological bandwidth as you does not make you allies. He makes people who believe what you believe look absolutely awful by association, and you're doing him the favour of inviting that association. Yeesh.

Nice detail attempt again. How many is that for you now? Why does this topic make you so uncomfortable that you need to resort to character assassination tactics? Do want to add anything of substance for a change? I have my doubts that you want to be a part of the conversation when this is all you got.

[jayswin]

Man, I struggle so much with racism. I fully realize I go overboard when it comes to perceived racism against minorities, specifically indigenous and black people. But damn is it frustrating.

On one hand I realize you can't just paint people as racist or say that every issue involving a minority is heightened against said minority. But on the other hand it feels like our white population is so quick to brush aside racism with "Well, you can't say there's racism involved in this discussion or incident, show proof".

Okay, well there's no stat for - An indigenous man is involved and the tone and number of comments is quite apparent. And I'm NOT just talking about Colton Boushie.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I mean, you are literally posting about how one race is inferior to another. This article contains plenty of negative generalized statements about traits that members of the white race exhibit (White Privilege, White Fragility, etc) and other sweeping generalizations.

This is some special kind of logic.

IceCube is simply repeating nonsense being taught across campuses in North America. It is vile stuff that is not part of the solution, but part of the problem. The goal it seems is to create more racism.

Unbelievable.

[jayswin]

I'd honestly like some advise from Corsi and others on how to make meaningful headway on how Indigenous people are treated in Canada.

I'm asking sincerely as a I feel incredibly guilty as a white person and want to contribute to a better Canada for them, and I fully appreciate that I can't speak reasonably on the matter which in turn pushes people further from joining a needed cause.

[CliffFletcher]

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[icecube]

Re: Robin Diangelo

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by driveway

April 19 - Gym calls police because two black men are working out.

April 23 - Golf course calls police because group of black women are golfing.

April 30 - Bronx man has police called on him while moving into his own apartment.

April 30 - Police called as black women leave their AirBnB

May 2 - IHOP apologizes to teen who was called the N-word on her reciept by sending her a $10 gift card.

May 3 - Pizza restaurant refuses to accept coupon from black customer, accepts same coupon from white friend.

May 8 - Yale campus police called about a black student napping in a common room.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is not an anti-oppression thread, it's a religion thread. A very thinly veiled forum for icecube to preach his noxious evangel. The left-leaning posters in here defending him, like Pepsifree, really need to think twice. This is like a bunch of conservative posters coming in supporting a TexasFlamesFan thread.

Just because he's on the same ideological bandwidth as you does not make you allies. He makes people who believe what you believe look absolutely awful by association, and you're doing him the favour of inviting that association. Yeesh.

Nothing to see here. Nope. White skinned people are discriminated against too!

White Privilege and White Fragility are lies created by the left!

Geezuz. Some folks make me want to