Vegan protestors angry that restuarant carved meat in front of them

[corporatejay]

This thread went exactly where I expected. Thanks sanctiononius vegans. I also like how a little social justice and mental illness was thrown in there. It was like a far left wet dream.


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[OMG!WTF!]

Not a super scientific study I'm sure but...

The survey suggested people under the age of 35 were three times more likely to consider themselves vegetarians or vegans than people 49 or older. And in what Charlebois characterized as "mind-blowing," the report also showed that of the Canadians who identified as vegetarians and vegans, more than half were under the age of 35.

"Those are really, really high numbers," said Charlebois, whose research topics include food distribution and food policy.

"Even though we believe the overall rates have not gone up, they could go up over the next couple of decades as a result of seeing such a high number of young consumers committing to speciality diets... That will actually impact food demand over the next few decades and I suspect the food industry will need to adapt."

http://www.metronews.ca/life/food/20...-under-35.html

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

50 years ago it was perfectly normal for people to kick or beat their dogs. It didn't raise an eyebrow. Try that in public today.

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No...it really wasn't.

You could claim the penalty for doing so was pretty much non-existant, but it was never "perfectly normal" to occur.

The hyperbole....it hurts

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We laugh, but I suspect most of us posting in this thread will live to see a day when veganism is the norm in Canada. Our grandchildren will regard pictures of us eating BBQ with the same distaste we regard people attending dog fights.

Oh, I seriously doubt that.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by nik-

I eagerly anticipate the days we have synthetic meat I can grow on a curtain rod in my home.

I'll ask people if they want to come over to my place and see my meat rod.

and when your guests comment on your meat rod i can already hear it....

it's not the size of my meat rod, it's how i use it!

[chemgear]

As the protesters confirmed earlier, providing vegan/vegetarian options is not good enough for their target. Their goal is to force the restaurant (probably future protest targets) to stop serving any meat all together.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4116014/a...otest-toronto/

According to the dinner menu posted on the Antler Kitchen website, it shows multiple beef, venison, duck, boar and fish dishes. But there are also non-meat dishes such as lentil and beet salad, chestnut gnocchi and wild mushroom risotto.

In an interview on Tuesday, Ugar said she contacted him last week and he offered to take her foraging for materials to learn about the restaurant’s process. However, she said she wants to have a meeting instead and has a specific goal in mind.

“We will keep protesting until we sit down with the owner to make menu changes – that’s the reason we do these protests,” Ugar said.

“The big message here for this restaurant is that humane meat does not exist.


Sidebar, what is the vegan stance on the "commoditization" and slavery of animals as pets? I understand that it is a point of contention?


http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...antler-dispute

Ugar is a dog walker. There are animal rights activists who view pet ownership as slavery and by that reasoning ought to be entitled to picket outside her house, disrupt her business and scream “SLAVER” when she takes her dogs for a walk.

Hunter is the one whose rights are being violated by bullying, intolerant and self-appointed vigilantes, the real animals in this dispute.

[OMG!WTF!]

If anyone is against dogs as pets they really don't understand anything about dogs or their relationship with humans. I actually can't imagine anyone with a functioning IQ would have an issue with that.

[Bagor]

Do Vegans refuse to take medications also given that many/most (all?) clinical trials are carried out on caged animals?

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

This thread went exactly where I expected. Thanks sanctiononius vegans. I also like how a little social justice and mental illness was thrown in there. It was like a far left wet dream.


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That’s the CP way nowadays. Anyone without a left of center opinion are constantly called out here by the left of center social justice warriors. Even the centrists aren’t safe here anymore.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by chemgear

As the protesters confirmed earlier, providing vegan/vegetarian options is not good enough for their target. Their goal is to force the restaurant (probably future protest targets) to stop serving any meat all together.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4116014/a...otest-toronto/

According to the dinner menu posted on the Antler Kitchen website, it shows multiple beef, venison, duck, boar and fish dishes. But there are also non-meat dishes such as lentil and beet salad, chestnut gnocchi and wild mushroom risotto.

In an interview on Tuesday, Ugar said she contacted him last week and he offered to take her foraging for materials to learn about the restaurant’s process. However, she said she wants to have a meeting instead and has a specific goal in mind.

“We will keep protesting until we sit down with the owner to make menu changes – that’s the reason we do these protests,” Ugar said.

“The big message here for this restaurant is that humane meat does not exist.


Sidebar, what is the vegan stance on the "commoditization" and slavery of animals as pets? I understand that it is a point of contention?


http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...antler-dispute

Ugar is a dog walker. There are animal rights activists who view pet ownership as slavery and by that reasoning ought to be entitled to picket outside her house, disrupt her business and scream “SLAVER” when she takes her dogs for a walk.

Hunter is the one whose rights are being violated by bullying, intolerant and self-appointed vigilantes, the real animals in this dispute.

Its typical of these hyper SJW. The owner offers to take them foraging, and show them his business, and they're not going to take him up on it. Why, because deep down they know they're wrong and they'll lose any actual serious debate.

If I'm the owner, I clearly ignore the protestors, they're actually good for business because people are becoming sick of preachy idiots with a cause, and part of the appeal now is to see them protesting to no success. In fact, every night the owner should go out there, thank them for the increase in business and throw a 50 at their feet to pay them for their services.

However the first time that they touch or try to intimidate or confront a patron, he should video tape it, post it on the internet and call the police and press charges.

[Coys1882]

I could never be veggie - maybe I could I guess - but I don't think I really want to.

I think a lot of the messages Vegans have are legitimate and should be heard. The way in which some animals are born, raised and killed is truly shocking. That being said - their tactics at getting people to listen and buy in are horrible.

If you get a chance, listen to Malcolm Gladwell's podcast "Revisionist History.' There's a great episode (#9 I think) in season 1, that deals with more effective ways of protesting.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah I don't think that's going to happen.

I don't think it'll be completely off of the menu, but I do think that farm-raised beef, in particular, will be a high-end delicacy in the future (50+ years). The movement toward plant-based proteins (pulse grains) is beneficial to our environment, health, and economy - why wouldn't that momentum continue? It's already happening... burger manufacturers are already putting up to 6% plant protein in their beef burgers for cost benefit reasons (doesn't hurt that it's also healthier for the consumer and better for the environment). Once you go beyond 6% though, you can no longer claim it to be a beef burger.

I never included lab grown meat above, but I suspect that momentum will continue as well.

BTW, I am a conservative leaning, meat eating Saskatchewan resident, who has worked in agriculture for 12+ years now. I am not speaking my position from the perspective of a left-wing vegan/vegetarian.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I don't think it'll be completely off of the menu, but I do think that farm-raised beef, in particular, will be a high-end delicacy in the future (50+ years). The movement toward plant-based proteins (pulse grains) is beneficial to our environment, health, and economy - why wouldn't that momentum continue? It's already happening... burger manufacturers are already putting up to 6% plant protein in their beef burgers for cost benefit reasons (doesn't hurt that it's also healthier for the consumer and better for the environment). Once you go beyond 6% though, you can no longer claim it to be a beef burger.

I never included lab grown meat above, but I suspect that momentum will continue as well.

BTW, I am a conservative leaning, meat eating Saskatchewan resident, who has worked in agriculture for 12+ years now. I am not speaking my position from the perspective of a left-wing vegan/vegetarian.

Sounds like something a Vegan would say. Nice try 😏

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I don't know for sure but I will bet you that a higher % of under 18 people are vegetarian now. Evey kid I know is vegetarian. And I bet that indicates we probably are heading away from eating animals faster than anyone thinks.

Really, every kid you know is vegetarian? We must run in totally different circles because I can honestly say I cant think of a single one in the group of people I know. I have one friend that is vegetarian but her kids and husband are not.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

While this thread is somewhat all over the place, allow me to make a film recommendation. On Body and Soul is a recently Oscar nominated Hungarian film about two shy slaughterhouse workers who develop an unusual romance. The film isn't about the ethics of killing animals for consumption but it is does show a scene without judgment of a cow being killed and then cut up into slabs (it cuts away for a second at the moment of death) It's disturbing to say the least, but is maybe worth watching just that scene. It's on Netflix. I think we're so far removed from it that we don't give a second thought to what is actually involved in getting dinner on our plate. I just had lamb for dinner the other day but if you showed me a lamb being slaughtered I'd likely be horrified. Sure, the vegan activism is annoying but I find the over the top blood thirsty responses just as cringe worthy.

Another more difficult to find film is Franju's Blood of the Beasts, a 20 min unflinching documentary from the 50s. Might be on YouTube.

I had to give up red meat for health reasons a few years ago, and so only eat it very rarely. Increasingly, I've thought about becoming vegetarian but to my shame my willpower hasn't been great.

I don't know, there are a lot of hunters in Alberta. To say we are so far removed is a bit ingenuous. I never really got into hunting myself, but I watched my Dad field dress, hang, and skin deer in our garage countless times. I cant say I was ever really disturbed by it. I just didn't like hunting because getting up at 4am on a Saturday to walk around in the cold dark for hours was ever that enjoyable to me.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Sounds like something a Vegan would say. Nice try 😏

Ah yes, look forward to your ass cancer meat glutton.

Meat eating will be frowned upon as much as smoking in not too long.

And this is coming from someone who still eats some meat, but has reduced their consumption significantly (and has seen many positive impacts on my life and health from it).

[Zevo]

Meat Glutton....good name for a metal band.

[meritmat]

Guess this would be a bad time to post a pic of a 67 pound Yellow Fin Tuna and the 30 pounds of fillets in the deep freeze

[Swift]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

I don't know, there are a lot of hunters in Alberta. To say we are so far removed is a bit ingenuous.

Sure, rural is probably somewhat different but I'd imagine that 99% of Calgarians* don't hunt for their food. I'd imagine that's the same for most cities in the western world.

* stat pulled out of my ass, but non-hunters are the vast, vast majority.

[Azure]

Nothing wrong with the push towards lab grown meat. Our planet can't sustain factory farming anyways.