Calgary Police Officer shot in Abbeydale. - CPS says avoid area.

[jayswin]

Yeah, Reaper's comments about the families is very important, but I think he erred in that a suspect being killed by police is part of due process, as proper police procedure is technically due process at that point.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by guzzy

i have zero sympathy for the guy who shot the cop. Do i feel bad for his family? Maybe i guess. They will lose their son/brother/whatever.

He shot a cop. This is a much better outcome than the courts. i have zero respect for pricks like this. I also have zero respect for bleeding heart liberals who do have respect for pricks like this. These are often the same people that think pedophiles and such can be cured through incarceration and rehabilitation....blah blah blah.

Just when you thought the takes couldn't get more awful...

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Just when you thought the takes couldn't get more awful...

It's the glee and celebration of the death of another human being that surrounds the take is what gets me.

[flamesforcup]

Guzzy im guessing ur one of those ppl who defend american police killing unarmed civilians no matter what?

[DownInFlames]

A friend’s brother was caught transporting a large amount of drugs (pot & coke) and was looking at a long prison sentence. He killed himself instead. My friend was devastated and became estranged with her father. She blamed him because her bro used his gun. He also had a young daughter who is now without a father.

He saved the taxpayers money by not going to prison, and if you think that’s a good thing your priorities are out of whack.

I can accept a cop needing to kill someone in self-defence, but being happy about it is pretty ####ed up.

[Flamenspiel]

No need to celebrate it, it just a fair result, much better then what comes out of the justice system these days.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Whatever man. When someone shoots a cop in the head and then officers return fire and kill him....that is due process IMO.....maybe not literally or how it is written in Canadian law, but he got what he was due to him. You call it what you like and i will call it what I like. It's the beauty of opinions.

So, you're arguing that what you mean by due process is different definition for you than the actual definition? You just heard some words and wanted to try them out, eh? You sound like someone who thinks there is such a thing as alternative facts.

Originally Posted by guzzy

You disagree with mine and let everyone on here know. Good on you. I don't care. You can have your bleeding heart opinion and i will stick with mine. One dead piece of #### that the courts don't need to worry about and the govt doesn't have to support for twenty five plus years (after he got his "due process" on the original murder charge).

And there it is. Since I disagree with your zealousness on the "glad he's dead" issue I must be a bleeding heart liberal which you hate because they're on "the other team". Cool your butthurt and put down your scotch. You're starting to sound like Drunk Uncle.

Originally Posted by guzzy

What is due process in this case? We have RCMP officers wearing cameras on their chests, with cameras in their cars. A fellow officer is shot in the head and they return fire. One dead piece of #### and injured officer. It is probably all on camera. THE RCMP will evaluate the tapes and it will be released the officers did the right thing.

I'm not arguing that the shooting wasn't justified.

Originally Posted by guzzy

Do you really think any of the RCMP who know the officer who was shot, or was there on scene, are looking for due process?

Actually, yes. The police officers that I have known over the years would much rather not kill a human being if possible.

Originally Posted by guzzy

No because this murdering prick got what we deserved. Justice was served. Why does the kid deserve a day in court for attempted murder of an officer? He doesn't. He doesn't deserve what you are terming "due process" for this crime.

I am not sanitizing anything, I owned what i have said. This kid deserved "due process" on his murder charge for the young girl he murdered. I am not saying he deserves to die because he murdered someone who couldn't fight back. He made the mistake of trying to murder someone who could fight back. He doesn't deserve your brand (the literal brand) of "due process" for shooting at an officer. Justice was served when the officers fired back. Good riddance!!!!

You see, it's this trumpeting like this that makes your stance so distasteful. Maybe roll back on the "fxxx him; glad that piece of sxxx is dead" a bit. You're coming across as a hateful sociopath.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by Reaper

So, you're arguing that what you mean by due process is different definition for you than the actual definition? You just heard some words and wanted to try them out, eh? You sound like someone who thinks there is such a thing as alternative facts.

And there it is. Since I disagree with your zealousness on the "glad he's dead" issue I must be a bleeding heart liberal which you hate because they're on "the other team". Cool your butthurt and put down your scotch. You're starting to sound like Drunk Uncle.

I'm not arguing that the shooting wasn't justified.

Actually, yes. The police officers that I have known over the years would much rather not kill a human being if possible.


You see, it's this trumpeting like this that makes your stance so distasteful. Maybe roll back on the "fxxx him; glad that piece of sxxx is dead" a bit. You're coming across as a hateful sociopath.

Agreed. People with his mentality are the reason why american cops get away with murder when they shoot unarmed people

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Agreed. People with his mentality are the reason why american cops get away with murder when they shoot unarmed people

And statements like this are just inflammatory... and don't help the discussion.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

And statements like this are just inflammatory... and don't help the discussion.

Yup. I also often like how some folks seem to think that 'unarmed' means 'not dangerous' and therefore 'should not have been shot'.

[Robbob]

Interesting update on the Abbeydale shooting. Looks like they will be withholding his name. Not sure how I feel about that. On one hand there will be no trial, but on the other it isn't really transparent.

http://calgarysun.com/news/crime/ide...released-asirt

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Interesting update on the Abbeydale shooting. Looks like they will be withholding his name. Not sure how I feel about that. On one hand there will be no trial, but on the other it isn't really transparent.

http://calgarysun.com/news/crime/ide...released-asirt

And on the other hand it protects his family from harassment. Why do we need his name? Morbid curiosity?

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And on the other hand it protects his family from harassment. Why do we need his name? Morbid curiosity?

The government and its agents can kill citizens and the general public doesnt even get know who is being killed? I cant see any problems with that??!!?

[Flames_Gimp]

He got crisped up like overdone bacon, good riddance

[Cliche]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

The government and its agents can kill citizens and the general public doesnt even get know who is being killed? I cant see any problems with that??!!?

This is suicide by cop and the public doesn't need to know their name.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Cliche

This is suicide by cop and the public doesn't need to know their name.

No, it's not. That requires acting in a way that provokes a lethal response from a police officer(s). Being in a burning building is not suicide by cop.

[Cliche]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

No, it's not. That requires acting in a way that provokes a lethal response from a police officer(s). Being in a burning building is not suicide by cop.

So shooting a police officer and shooting at police would not provoke a lethal response from Police? That they did not drop their weapon and approach officers unarmed for arrest and processing not convince officers that lethal response was/is still the optimal way to resolve the situation?

In any case if they voluntarily decided to remain in a burning building where it is most likely they would either burn to death or succumb to smoke inhalation, it would still count as suicide. And last I recall they don't publish the names of those who jump in front of trains, or hang themselves to prevent copycats.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Cliche

So shooting a police officer and shooting at police would not provoke a lethal response from Police? That they did not drop their weapon and approach officers unarmed for arrest and processing not convince officers that lethal response was/is still the optimal way to resolve the situation?

In any case if they voluntarily decided to remain in a burning building where it is most likely they would either burn to death or succumb to smoke inhalation, it would still count as suicide. And last I recall they don't publish the names of those who jump in front of trains, or hang themselves to prevent copycats.

Considering who you responding to is a police officer (I believe), I would take it he would know aht suicide by cop would qualify under.

On the matter of his name not being released, I'm indifferent. I feel like it should be since this a serious incident that could have harmed someone. But I'm not opposed to it enough to debate it.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Cliche

So shooting a police officer and shooting at police would not provoke a lethal response from Police?

Yes, it would, and did. Police did shoot back at the male. However, "suicide by cop" is a very specific thing, as I'm trying to explain. People who do it want to die. They generally use the minimal amount of provocation necessary, and they want to be killed, so they do not fight back, hide, turn or run away. They make themselves as easy and as big of a target as possible, so that the chance of a kill shot are that much higher. Just shooting at police is not "suicide by cop". If this person had been trying to suicide by cop, he'd have shot at (they don't usually hit the officer, after all they are trying to provoke a response, not kill the person they want to kill them) the officer and then just stood there while he was shot, probably trying to hold his gun as 'aggressively looking' as possible, to make sure that he was shot. Suicide by cop requires that you are directly killed BY a cop.

That they did not drop their weapon and approach officers unarmed for arrest and processing not convince officers that lethal response was/is still the optimal way to resolve the situation?

Despite what tv would have you think, no. Cops are on the lookout for suicide by cop, and will generally try to keep that in mind. Especially if they know the person they are dealing with is suicidal in general. Despite what folks try to say, most officers want everyone alive at the end of the day, and they are not trigger-happy kill-crazy cowboys.

In any case if they voluntarily decided to remain in a burning building where it is most likely they would either burn to death or succumb to smoke inhalation, it would still count as suicide. And last I recall they don't publish the names of those who jump in front of trains, or hang themselves to prevent copycats.

Yes on all counts. But that's 'just' suicide. Not suicide by cop.

[Cliche]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Considering who you responding to is a police officer (I believe), I would take it he would know aht suicide by cop would qualify under.

On the matter of his name not being released, I'm indifferent. I feel like it should be since this a serious incident that could have harmed someone. But I'm not opposed to it enough to debate it.

I was just espousing a point of view that may not have been considered, even though the deceased should be the winner of the play stupid games win stupid prizes contest.

Also thanks for saying that Police are less than people, since a cop did get harmed.