03-20-2018, 04:03 PM
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#101
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Franchise Player
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Not if they are somehow able to get Simmonds or Eberle+ for him. But I don't see why anyone would be willing to trade those players for him...
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03-20-2018, 04:04 PM
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#102
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
I think trading Brodie while his value is at an all-time low, would be one of the most bone-headed decisions of all time.
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What if you could get a Ruslan Zaynullin for him?
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03-20-2018, 04:15 PM
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#103
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
I think trading Brodie while his value is at an all-time low, would be one of the most bone-headed decisions of all time.
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As bone headed as keeping him and continue to lose games because of his blunders? Brodie is in addition by subtraction territory.
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03-20-2018, 04:15 PM
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#104
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by SeanCharles
Given the disappointment surrounding this years version of the Calgary Flames all one can do now is look forward to next season and the offseason moves that will undoubtably result from this years failures.
The name of the game is self explanatory. I'm wondering what everyone thinks, here is mine:
CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - let walk
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep; untouchable
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk
LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep
79 Micheal Ferland - keep
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep; untouchable
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep; untouchable
RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - Trade retained salary or buyout summer 2019
67 Michael Frolik - trade
21 Garnet Hathaway - re-sign - 800k or less. If not let him walk
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - let walk
DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - trade
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep; untouchable
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - trade
GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep
Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - indifferent
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - indifferent
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - indifferent
GM: Brad Treliving - keep
For ease I left out the video coach and various management roles.
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I agree with almost everything you said other than I don't see the need to buyout Brouwer unless Treliving makes a huge splash in the off season and signs Tavares. Cap wise it smarter to buy out Brouwer summer 2019
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03-20-2018, 04:31 PM
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#105
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho0978
I agree with almost everything you said other than I don't see the need to buyout Brouwer unless Treliving makes a huge splash in the off season and signs Tavares. Cap wise it smarter to buy out Brouwer summer 2019
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Can people stop mentioning Tavares, he’s not coming here. Don’t even think about him coming here, Flames have historically never been able to land the biggest FA and after this year how would they convince the biggest UFA of the last 5-10 years to sign here.
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03-20-2018, 04:36 PM
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#106
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Lifetime Suspension
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Anybody asides for Gaudreau, Hamilton, Tkachuk, Gio and Backlund should available. Take calls on everyone
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03-20-2018, 04:39 PM
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#107
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
As bone headed as keeping him and continue to lose games because of his blunders? Brodie is in addition by subtraction territory.
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He's had a rough season, no doubt. But he has shown flashes and if management wants to trade away quality pieces when they struggle, they will remain bottom dwellers for a very long time.
You pretty much said that the whole season falls on Brodie's shoulders, that's just wrong. And if the Flames live or die by Brodie's game, then he has a lot more value than I thought.
This season is more to do with goals for and you don't have to look any further than the powerplay.
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03-20-2018, 04:50 PM
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#108
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - indifferent
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk
LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - trade, unless Ferland is
79 Micheal Ferland - trade, unless Bennett is
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep; untouchable
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep; untouchable
RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - keep
67 Michael Frolik - keep
21 Garnet Hathaway - let walk
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - re-sign
DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - trade
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep; untouchable
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - trade
GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep
Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - fire
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - indifferent
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - indifferent
GM: Brad Treliving - keep
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03-20-2018, 05:09 PM
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#109
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beninho
Can people stop mentioning Tavares, he’s not coming here. Don’t even think about him coming here, Flames have historically never been able to land the biggest FA and after this year how would they convince the biggest UFA of the last 5-10 years to sign here.
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Which is why we don't buy out Brouwer yet. More than likely Treliving won't spend enough this off season to make sense out of wasting cap space 3 years from now
Also picking up top notch free agents since the cap vs before the cap is completely different. You could make a case Jay Bo was the biggest UFA available the year the Flames signed him. It didn't work out but teams would have been lining up for him
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03-20-2018, 05:48 PM
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#110
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - walk
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - walk
LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - trade
79 Micheal Ferland - keep
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep
15 Tanner Glass - walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep
RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - trade
67 Michael Frolik - keep
21 Garnet Hathaway - keep
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart -walk
10 Kris Versteeg - keep
DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - walk
7 T.J. Brodie - trade
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - keep
GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep
Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - fire
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - Keep
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - fire
GM: Brad Treliving - Keep for now
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03-20-2018, 05:55 PM
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#111
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
He's had a rough season, no doubt. But he has shown flashes and if management wants to trade away quality pieces when they struggle, they will remain bottom dwellers for a very long time.
You pretty much said that the whole season falls on Brodie's shoulders, that's just wrong. And if the Flames live or die by Brodie's game, then he has a lot more value than I thought.
This season is more to do with goals for and you don't have to look any further than the powerplay.
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I can think off the top of my head four games that Brodie's blunders cost us. That is 8 points which would put us two points up on the Kings. I am not saying the reason we are missing the playoffs is soley on Brodie but he certainly was one of the reasons why.
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03-20-2018, 05:55 PM
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#112
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sunny California
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Burke should be added to the discussion, I don’t know if he adds anything...other than truculence of course...
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03-20-2018, 06:00 PM
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#113
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Lethbridge Alberta
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Lots of fans are laughing at Calgary these days. Ship out as many soft players as they can. The only untouchables should be Johnny and Tkachuk. This team needs players with speed, skill and grit not one dimensional soft players. Time to ship them out!
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03-20-2018, 06:02 PM
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#114
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Calgary
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Everybody gets put on notice as we cannot have comfortable bodies playing here.
We already have had a country club atmosphere, coach killer players and just general incompetence employed by the Calgary Flames.
I'm tired of mediocre. I'd rather be in the playoffs yearly and get swept if need be so that we know who performs well under real pressure when it matters.
Yeah it's a long season but players need to have some sense of urgency as well as be accountable for abysmal performances.
That's enough from me .
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03-20-2018, 06:16 PM
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#115
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Central Alberta
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Would love it if the Flames could find a way to acquire Sebastian Aho from the Carolina Hurricanes. Boom!!! There’s your top line right winger!!
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03-20-2018, 07:43 PM
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#116
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Strathmore
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CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - let walk
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep; untouchable
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk
LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep
79 Micheal Ferland - keep
13 Johnny Gaudreau -Trade
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep; untouchable
RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - buyout
67 Michael Frolik - Keep
21 Garnet Hathaway - indifferent
20 Curtis Lazar - indifferent
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - let walk
DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - trade
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep; untouchable
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - trade
GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep
Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - indifferent
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - indifferent
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - indifferent
GM: Brad Treliving - keep
I am so done with the lack of heart in Johnny. Sure the kid can score, but he quits on plays so often if he gets a slash or a check.
At least sit the kid for a game or two.
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03-20-2018, 07:45 PM
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#117
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rejean31
Would love it if the Flames could find a way to acquire Sebastian Aho from the Carolina Hurricanes. Boom!!! There’s your top line right winger!!
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And boom, there goes Matthew Tkachuk to Carolina because that is what it would take. I will pass.
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03-20-2018, 07:47 PM
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#118
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wired
I am so done with the lack of heart in Johnny. Sure the kid can score, but he quits on plays so often if he gets a slash or a check.
At least sit the kid for a game or two.
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And we have hit insanity mode here when people start talking about dealing our franchise player. Johnny is all heart, you can see the emotion and how bad he wants to win. I never see this quit you speak of.
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03-20-2018, 07:54 PM
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#119
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Scoring Winger
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The plan should be simple. Tre has done a decent job putting together the most difficult ingredient... top end talent.
Need to do some shuffling in the bottom six and an addition in the top six ideally. Perhaps some more sandpaper on the blue line. I think this team really missed Engelland this year.
But above all we need to see what the core of this roster can do with a respectable coaching staff. Nothing big should be done until this is evaluated.
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03-20-2018, 07:59 PM
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#120
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Here goes mine
I would fire the entire coaching staff. Everyone, I would offer Gelinas another position.
Brad would also go, I really struggled on this one but the fact he did not lottery protect that pick is a fire able offence.
CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - let walk
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep; untouchable
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk
LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep, try to motivate. Last chance with team
79 Micheal Ferland - keep
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep; untouchable
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep; untouchable
RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - buyout
67 Michael Frolik - Keep only because I think he is untradeable at that cost
21 Garnet Hathaway - AHL/NHL
20 Curtis Lazar - Keep and give him some actual time on a better line.
8 Chris Stewart - Keep, like this guys game as a 4th liner etc
10 Kris Versteeg - Time to move on.
DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - Keep unless the return is so good (it wont be)
5 Mark Giordano - keep unless someone is willing to give up a stud for him
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep; untouchable
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - Keep
GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep untouchable
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