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gamesaver · 03-09-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by VilleN

How is that top 9 any different from what we have now?... I'm not familiar with Kaprizov, but unless he is the next Ovechkin... this top 9 is, for all intents and purposes, the top 9 we have now... and a scoring powerhouse it certainly is not.

In personel, it may look the same. But I think this lineup does not need major changes, just a smart trade and a little bit of shake-up. I would love to see Bennet getting 1st line minutes and finally developing into what he was drafted for. Tkachuk is only gonna get better and given a guy like Kaprizov, who is of same age and is incredibly talented, this line could be lethal. Backlund is finally signed and has a great chamistry with Matt. They could be rolling for years. 3rd line has Ferland and healthy Steeger (resigned). This 3rd line can provide good secondary scoring in my book.

Of course this how it's supposed to work in a perfect scenario. I am no GM obviously... :-)

DJones · 03-09-2018, 02:11 PM

Hoffman does seem to make perfect sense and Karlsson could be dealt this summer so Brodie would be an obvious solution to that hole.

I just want a three line team. And that means no tweeners or Brouwers on the 3rd line.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland (good enough, most teams don't stack one line)
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Hoffman
Lazar/Brouwer/AHL rotation

I think that would be good enough. The more important part is improving the powerplay and letting the players having great games play more. If Hoffman is flying out there, double shift him with the top line.

TheOnlyBilko · 03-09-2018, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Some of Treliving's worst moves:
-Trading away Stempniak for a 3rd and flipping that 3rd for Bollig
-Signing Brouwer
-Trading a 2nd for Lazar
-Giving chances to people like Glass and Grossmann at the expense of some of the younger players. This might be Gulutzan's doing.
-Not firing the coaching staff months ago

There's a common denominator with these mistakes; these are all low-skill high-grit players. Now we're getting almost no scoring from the 3rd and 4th lines.
I have faith that Treliving has learned from the obvious.

But a lot of this might be Burke's doing as well.

You forgot bout not lottery protecting our 1st round pick that we gave NY Islanders. That move right there, or lack of, could easily be franchise changing (especially with this drafts top 3 or 4 guys, especially Dahlin and Svechnikov)

GioforPM · 03-09-2018, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

You forgot bout not lottery protecting our 1st round pick that we gave NY Islanders. That move right there, or lack of, could easily be franchise changing (especially with this drafts top 3 or 4 guys, especially Dahlin and Svechnikov)

It's negotiation - you can't get everything you want, and if Calgary misses, it's not going to be by much. Their lottery chances are pretty slim. I'd do the same deal over again if that's what's required to get a shut down guy like Hamonic. Seriously, has no one seen this guy play the last 3/4 of the season?

Rick M. · 03-09-2018, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's negotiation - you can't get everything you want, and if Calgary misses, it's not going to be by much. Their lottery chances are pretty slim. I'd do the same deal over again if that's what's required to get a shut down guy like Hamonic. Seriously, has no one seen this guy play the last 3/4 of the season?

I hope we make the playoffs because guys like that help you win.

GioforPM · 03-09-2018, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Some of Treliving's worst moves:
-Trading away Stempniak for a 3rd and flipping that 3rd for Bollig
-Signing Brouwer
-Trading a 2nd for Lazar
-Giving chances to people like Glass and Grossmann at the expense of some of the younger players. This might be Gulutzan's doing.
-Not firing the coaching staff months ago

There's a common denominator with these mistakes; these are all low-skill high-grit players. Now we're getting almost no scoring from the 3rd and 4th lines.
I have faith that Treliving has learned from the obvious.

But a lot of this might be Burke's doing as well.

Your examples don't really make your case.
Stempniak isn't helping anyone score. In his 24 games he has 1 goal.
Bollig was a bad move but pretty low risk. He was a "decent playoff = bad signing" example.
Lazar is = or > than most second rounders, especially late ones.
Glass and Grossman (and Jagr) were signed because not one of the young guys except Dube and Jankowski performed at all in camp. If Poirier, Mangiapane, Klimchuk, Foo or Shinkaruk have decent camps, Glass isn't signed. Kulak didn't have a great camp and the younger guys weren't ready (IMO Valimaki had the best camp) so they signed Grossman as a safety net.
Brouwer was signed to score. He isn't doing it, but he was a 20 goal man.

If the problem is 3rd and fourth line scoring, why are none of your examples on the third line?

The Fonz · 03-09-2018, 03:38 PM

GM: Treliving
Coach: Vigneault

Gaudreau Monahan Neal
Tkachuk Backlund Frolik
Bennett Jankowski Ferland
Lazar Shore Brouwer
Hathaway, Mangiapane

Giordano Hamilton
Brodie Hamonic
Kulak Stone
Andersson

Smith
Rittich

UFA signings: Neal @ 6.0M
RFA signings: Shore @ 1.0M, Jankowski @ 1.2M, Hathaway @ .8M, Kulak @ 1.0M, Rittich @ .85M

Cap hit: 74.8M

VilleN · 03-09-2018, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Your examples don't really make your case.
Stempniak isn't helping anyone score. In his 24 games he has 1 goal.
Bollig was a bad move but pretty low risk. He was a "decent playoff = bad signing" example.
Lazar is = or > than most second rounders, especially late ones.
Glass and Grossman (and Jagr) were signed because not one of the young guys except Dube and Jankowski performed at all in camp. If Poirier, Mangiapane, Klimchuk, Foo or Shinkaruk have decent camps, Glass isn't signed. Kulak didn't have a great camp and the younger guys weren't ready (IMO Valimaki had the best camp) so they signed Grossman as a safety net.
Brouwer was signed to score. He isn't doing it, but he was a 20 goal man.

If the problem is 3rd and fourth line scoring, why are none of your examples on the third line?

Wasn't Valimaki drafted the season after the Grossman experiment?

goflamesgo18 · 03-10-2018, 09:58 AM

Trade Brodie+ to get into top 5 in draft.

Draft Tkachuk.

Sign Tavares 7 years 11 million per.

Buy out Brouwer.

Trade Jankowski + Fox for Simmonds

Gaudreau - Tavares - Bennett
M.Tkachuk - Monahan - Simmonds
B.Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Hathaway - Lazar - Frolik

Gio - Hamilton
Valimaki - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

Smith
Gilles

Total Salary would be approx 76 million

Jiri Hrdina · 03-10-2018, 09:59 AM

Again why would JT come here?

goflamesgo18 · 03-10-2018, 10:01 AM

Why not?

goflamesgo18 · 03-10-2018, 10:02 AM

Not sure what JT's plans are. This is what I want to see happen.

Strange Brew · 03-10-2018, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's negotiation - you can't get everything you want, and if Calgary misses, it's not going to be by much. Their lottery chances are pretty slim. I'd do the same deal over again if that's what's required to get a shut down guy like Hamonic. Seriously, has no one seen this guy play the last 3/4 of the season?

The fact that Hamonic is playing well and the team’s record is what it is, might be further evidence that’s a significant overpayment for a #4 defenseman. Appreciate people see value differently but the Flames have traded away far too many early round draft picks for my liking.

blender · 03-10-2018, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again why would JT come here?

Who knows.

Chance to win, chance to play with Johnny, Likes the idea of a Canadian market.

Not saying it's likely but it's ok to talk about it.

Jiri Hrdina · 03-10-2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blender

Who knows.

Chance to win, chance to play with Johnny, Likes the idea of a Canadian market.

Not saying it's likely but it's ok to talk about it.

Sure I just think it is a very long shot
This organization doesn’t have a great winning track record with no strong rationale for why there is a great chance to win here
The building is the worst in the league
And Calgary winters suck
He’s going to be able to get the money he wants but also make a choice base on lifestyle

Jiri Hrdina · 03-10-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The fact that Hamonic is playing well and the team’s record is what it is, might be further evidence that’s a significant overpayment for a #4 defenseman. Appreciate people see value differently but the Flames have traded away far too many early round draft picks for my liking.

Based on comparable deals it wasn’t an overpayment
It wasn’t a steal either
Pretty much bang on for what one would expect
You can dislike it but that’s different from saying it was an overpayment

blender · 03-10-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sure I just think it is a very long shot
This organization doesn’t have a great winning track record with no strong rationale for why there is a great chance to win here
The building is the worst in the league
And Calgary winters suck
He’s going to be able to get the money he wants but also make a choice base on lifestyle

All valid points, but when you ask the rhetorical question (that has been asked plenty already) it just comes across as stifling the conversation. I'm sure the Flames management is trying to craft the best sales pitch they can for JT rather than just being defeatist and saying why bother.

GullFoss · 03-12-2018, 09:23 AM

Presumably, two spots up for grabs in top six which leaves little in way for potential promotions. Where do mangiapane or klimchuk or lomberg fit?

Also, not clear how the two empty spots are filled via free agency.

Johnny-monny-xxxxx
Tkachuk-xxxx-bennett
Ferland-backlund-frolik
Hathaway-janko-lazar

I think this is the most realistic lineup:

Johnny-monahan-bennett
Tkachuk-xxxx-ferland
Mangiapane-backlund-frolik
Hathaway-janko-lazar/lomberg

Gio-hamilton
Kulak-brodie
Hamonic-Andersson

-need to trade stone
-need to buyout brouwer
-need a top 6-center

Nelson · 03-12-2018, 09:48 AM

The Flames need to add goal scorers.

Statistics from the 2017-2018 season:
HDCF%-55.38% (3rd best in the league)
SCF%-53.44% (3rd best in the league)
SF%-51.77% (6th best in the NHL - even though the Flames lead the NHL in missed shots!!!)

The Flames are elite when it comes to generating scoring opportunities, BUT CANNOT SCORE!

The Flames need to add goal scorers.

I think it would be amazing to get Hoffman or Kane in FA.

Strange Brew · 03-12-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Based on comparable deals it wasn’t an overpayment
It wasn’t a steal either
Pretty much bang on for what one would expect
You can dislike it but that’s different from saying it was an overpayment

I dislike it because I believe it was an overpayment, particularly when you consider the Flames standing as a team and the quality and uncertainty of the picks given up.

I don't believe Flames could recover those same picks by trading Hamonic now.