[Rumour] Incoming Flames shake up

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Some RW ideas:
D. Hamilton for Mark Stone?

And then Stone gets a monster raise at the end of the year. While we've traded a very good young RH Shot defenseman on a cost controlled contract. Pass.

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Ferland/Frolik + Hamonic for Oshie?

Why would we want a 31 year old with a 8 million dollar a year hit for another 4 years? That contract has the potential to become a really ugly boat anchor.

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Originally Posted by pseudoreality

Brouwer ++ for Okposo(one ugly contract)?
Would be sweet if we could get either Wheeler out of WPG but I doubt they do it for anything less than Bennett ++

Okposo's contract has the potential to make Chia's Lucic deal look brilliant, and goes out longer the Brouwers. This deal makes no sense.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Mark Stone would be an amazing fit and his brother is on the team, don't want to lose Hamilton but if he gets Stone I wouldn't mind.

I don't think the Stone's are brothers....

[AC]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I don't think the Stone's are brothers....

They are.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=32806

Brother: Michael Stone

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I don't think the Stone's are brothers....

Wat

[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I don't think the Stone's are brothers....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich...ne_(ice_hockey)

According to Wikipedia they are.

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[Kipper_3434]

Wow. I'm stunned. Thought I would've seen it brought up by now, so I just assumed they weren't. Thanks for clarifying.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

And then Stone gets a monster raise at the end of the year. While we've traded a very good young RH Shot defenseman on a cost controlled contract. Pass.



Why would we want a 31 year old with a 8 million dollar a year hit for another 4 years? That contract has the potential to become a really ugly boat anchor.

I don’t see anyone looking to simply give away 1st line RW in this league. I’d love to get Tarasenko, Laine, Kucherov, or P. Kane... but people aren’t lining up to get rid of them.

Oshie is a great weapon on the PP, Okposo brings the physical element with skill. They are both high risk trades with the hope they will work out. As for Stone, he is going to get paid, yes, but has Hamilton outperformed his cap hit by a huge margin this year? How much of it was thanks to Gio bumping up his corsi stats? I am still waiting for Hamilton to take over games, until he does I find it a fair cap hit.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Don't make trades without changing the coaching staff first. We don't just lack a goal scorer. We lack an identity. That isn't going to change from a trade. Bring in a coach that will demand hard play from these guys. If they don't like it then they sit. There is no accountability on our players. We look like lazy zombies half the time, just like the guy behind the bench. In fact that is our identity... boring lazy zombies just like the coach.

[Husky]

Bring up a couple more AHL performers and fire the coach before a serious trade.

[gunnner]

Hamiltons contract is not a bargain. If Stone was under a decent long term deal id trade Hamilton for him in a heart beat and bump Brodie back up to play with Gio. Especially considering where our D pipeline is compared to forwards. But with Stone hitting FA, you cant make that trade unless he is going to take similar cap hit as Hamilton (doubtful).

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by gunnner

Hamiltons contract is not a bargain. If Stone was under a decent long term deal id trade Hamilton for him in a heart beat and bump Brodie back up to play with Gio. Especially considering where our D pipeline is compared to forwards. But with Stone hitting FA, you cant make that trade unless he is going to take similar cap hit as Hamilton (doubtful).

He is still a restricted free agent, so you wouldn’t lose him for nothing. I can see him getting 7-7.5, but I think it wouldn’t be too bad. Maybe I am just completely off.

[Flames_F.T.W]

A trade would be exciting... but realistically, adding a few hungry farm players would have the desired effect. Jankowski and Hathaway have been a breath of fresh air and I think bringing up Mangiapane would also do wonders for the bottom 6

[Poe969]

Brouwer and Brodie for Stone lol. Tell Melnyk that Brouwer can be their captain after they trade Karlsson...

[Lanny_McDonald]

If a trade is in the works, I hope it is a small one. Something along the lines of Lazar for Duclair. A little risk involved, but get a player with definite finishing ability that is sorely lacking on the wings.

I think the problems are all in the way the personnel are being used. The system is flawed in that it does not allow the players to use their strengths. The Flames have one of the most gifted bunch of defensemen in the league, by it they are playing a system where they are not allowed to skate thenpuck up ice or join the rush with any regularity. They forwards are expected to play the chip and chase game more than using their obvious strength of transitioning and scoring off the rush. The system is flawed because it is inflexible and does not use the strength of the players on the team. This is one of the reasons I am against a return of Sutter as he would try and force the same players into another flawed system rather than developing a system to suit the skill on the team.

This is what the Flames really need. They need a coach that understands the game and can adapt to the talent on the team, not just bring a system and then try to force the players into that system. When you have guys that can skate, let them skate. When you have guys that make stuff happen off the rush, let them kill the opposition off the rush. The most frustrating thing watching the Flames is seeing the defensemen grab a puck and then circle back, retreating to their own end, allowing the opposition to get back into their defensive positions and not taking advantage of our own players’ strengths. This is madness, and this is what needs to change. This is systemic, and can be changed by bringing in a new coaching staff.

Frankly, Dave Cameron has way too much influence on the team and the overall system. The same flawed approach they use on the PP - the circling back and that stupid drop pass for zone entry - permeates the whole system. Gulutzan doesn’t appear to have any answer for changing this, or for using the strengths of his players. He is taking thorobreds and hitching them to the proverbial wagon. He is not a strong bench boss, especially when it comes to handling his assistants and the player personnel, and he looks feckless when challenged. The rest of the team has adopted these same characteristics out on the ice. This team is a reflection of its coach. It’s time to move on and bring in someone who will use the talent at his disposal much better. Make that move before making a rash player personnel decision.

[The Big Chill]

I don't like the all the ideas of trading a Dman for a winger. The strength of this team should be our mobile dmen, and ibdont think we should weaken that strength just because this system under-utilizes them.

I would hate it if we moved Brodie or Hamilton, and then months later fire GG and bring in a coach who will use them properly. Those 2 along with Gio should be driving our offense and making mediocre wingers look better then they are.

[Itse]

I have bad feeling about this.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Brodie will be just fine if we had a coach who would utilize him properly!! If we trade him, I guarantee you his new coach will put him on the right side and the old Brodie will emerge and we’ll all be kicking ourselves!!

And I guarantee you he wouldn't. You think a professional hockey player can't adapt to either side? It is time for some fans to just admit he is not the same player he was 3 years ago. Sometimes players just fall off a cliff ability wise for some reason that is not totally clear, it happens. At this point between his poor decision making and his inability to be anything but terrible in his own end he is hurting this team on a nightly basis, he needs to go.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And I guarantee you he wouldn't. You think a professional hockey player can't adapt to either side? It is time for some fans to just admit he is not the same player he was 3 years ago. Sometimes players just fall off a cliff ability wise for some reason that is not totally clear, it happens. At this point between his poor decision making and his inability to be anything but terrible in his own end he is hurting this team on a nightly basis, he needs to go.

and I guarantee he would. We win.

[Heavy Jack]

Please don’t do a Phaneuf type trade again... if we trade a big name we better get a high pick and or high end player back.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And I guarantee you he wouldn't. You think a professional hockey player can't adapt to either side? It is time for some fans to just admit he is not the same player he was 3 years ago. Sometimes players just fall off a cliff ability wise for some reason that is not totally clear, it happens. At this point between his poor decision making and his inability to be anything but terrible in his own end he is hurting this team on a nightly basis, he needs to go.

I get it, this is the TJ Brodie witch hunt thread. You are not keen on the GG or BT witch hunts, but are ok with the Brodie witch hunt.

I think a more accurate statement would be

It is time for some fans to admit that GG is not a good coach. He is the same coach he was 3 years ago, painfully mediocre. Sometimes people are just not good at coaching for some reason that is not totally clear, it happens. At this point between his poor decision making and his inability to be anything but terrible in his strategic thinking, systems approach, in-game adjustments, bench management, delegation of responsibilities, and general presence behind the bench, he is hurting the team on a nightly basis and he needs to go.