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Old 11-06-2017, 10:25 AM   #101
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Is Matt Duchene really that much better than Kyle Turris?
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:51 AM   #102
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I'll be the first to admit his work as a whole pretty much sucks. But no one can deny that waiting out for the best deal possible worked completely in the Avs favor this time. Did it take forever to get something done? Sure did. Were feelings likely hurt? Probably. But in the end, he showed patience and got the best deal possible.

I wasn't getting at that he is some amazing GM. But looking at this deal in a vacuum, he did quite well and the Avs will be better long term because of it. He did the right thing waiting it out and not giving in to outside (fan) demands.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:56 AM   #103
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Is Matt Duchene really that much better than Kyle Turris?
https://www.thescore.com/news/1400260
No. Nashville got Turris for cheap, Aves got a ton of young talent, and Ottawa got hosed IMO.
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No. Nashville got Turris for cheap, Aves got a ton of young talent, and Ottawa got hosed IMO.
It looks to me like Ottawa got a player who wants to be there instead of one who was counting the minutes till free agency. That's got to be worth something… though likely not as much as they gave up.
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:46 PM   #105
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Is Matt Duchene really that much better than Kyle Turris?
https://www.thescore.com/news/1400260
I'm a Duchene fanboy, so definitely bias, but I believe him to be much better than Turris. Pleasantly surprised with that analysis illustrating Duchene to be the better player by thescore

I know it's been reported they have extremely similar PPG over the last three years, but I think that doesn't tell the story. Duchene's been the highest scoring Avalanche over the last three seasons prior ahead of Landeskog, MacKinnon and Barrie before you see a major drop in players to the likes of Iginla, Tanguay and Blake ####ing Comeau. The Avalanche have been a dreadful bottom 5 offensive team averaged over those years. It wouldn't be a stretch if someone were to argue he was been the most valuable offensive player for the Avs over the last 3 seasons before this one.

Turris, on the other hand, has been playing on the middle of the pack offensively Ottawa Senators. While the forwards are of similar 'depth' and quality, with the likes of Stone and Hoffman scoring significantly more than Turris and even having Bobby Ryan with similar production. But the major difference will be having Karlsson on the backend (or at least starting there before becoming a fourth forward ) for Duchene. Duchene had shown to be a PPG when he has secondary scoring around him, I don't see why that won't be the case for him with the Senators.
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:51 PM   #106
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I'll be the first to admit his work as a whole pretty much sucks. But no one can deny that waiting out for the best deal possible worked completely in the Avs favor this time. Did it take forever to get something done? Sure did. Were feelings likely hurt? Probably. But in the end, he showed patience and got the best deal possible.

I wasn't getting at that he is some amazing GM. But looking at this deal in a vacuum, he did quite well and the Avs will be better long term because of it. He did the right thing waiting it out and not giving in to outside (fan) demands.
Well, waiting other teams out did not hurt the Avs, that's for sure. Mostly because they were terrible with Duchene, and will be terrible without him.

How well Sakic did will not be known for some time though. He got a lot of quantity - and Andrew Hammond - but he needs one of these prospects or picks to be a home run.
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What did Nashville give up?

A second and a prospect?
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Old 11-06-2017, 03:14 PM   #108
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A second and a prospect?
2nd, Girard, Kamenev.
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Also, not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the Senators next two games are a back-to-back in Sweden against the Avalanche.

I wonder how important it was to the Senators to get Duchene on the trip to bond and have him against his former team (or maybe more accurately not have him available for the Avalanche for those games).
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Now that the Duchene saga is over, recall that pre-NHL draft, Avs asked #Isles for Hamonic/Barzal/Sorokin and a 1st for Duchene.
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Now that the Duchene saga is over, recall that pre-NHL draft, Avs asked #Isles for Hamonic/Barzal/Sorokin and a 1st for Duchene.
Wow, I want some of what Sakic was smokin'.
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