[Rumour] UPD: Jagr confirms Flames have interest in him.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

A few facts to get straight here:

1) Jagr is not currently 46. He's 45. He will TURN 46 in mid February, but that's different than saying he's currently 46. I know I know, does it matter?

2) People are saying to give him nights off. NOPE! He played all 82 games last year, and he keeps himself in remarkable shape. He puts Iginla and Giordano to shame, and does things that men half his age can't do physically. You don't need to manage his ice time.

3) EV points. Others above me pointed this out, but he produces quite well at even strength, and isn't really a PP specialist, whereas some other bigger names produce a TON of points on the PP, but don't do much even strength. This is supported by Jagr's good Corsi numbers, indicating that it's a product of his play, not just his ability to cherry pick and be an opportunistic goal scorer. The man would probably HELP any line he was on.

There are pros and cons to this, so let's analyze them:

Pros
-Plus corsi player who played all 82 games and put up good even strength points (all stated above)
-Legend and fan favorite who would draw fans to games wherever the Flames played, but especially at home. Plenty of excitement for Flames fans, especially the young ones.
-Extreme fitness freak. This supports the examples already shown by players like Giordano. He won't have a problem with stamina throughout the year.
-Great mentor. He turned the offensive game of Barkov around overnight, and he also really helped Huberdeau learn how to cycle effectively, use his body to protect the puck, and strategize positioning in the offensive zone to create chances. He's like an offensive guru at this point and could do nothing but help our young forwards' production.
-Fills a significant hole on the right wing, whether it be 1st line or 3rd line.
-Reported ask of $3.7 million is a reasonable contract for a guy who can still put up 50 points and has his pedigree/experience.

Cons
-He's old, and there is a risk that he might not perform well this year. I'd be shocked if that was the case, since he still had plenty to give last year and takes great care of himself, but it's a legitimate possibility.
-He's slower, but has no problems with defensive responsibilities as indicated by his Corsi numbers.
-He'll take the spot away from a younger player. HOWEVER, none of our NHL-worthy young forwards have been on the farm too long or are beating down the door, so all it would mean is a delay in their graduation. The one most likely to graduate (Jankowski) has only played one professional season. He can play most of another year in the AHL and it would probably help him.

And you say, "he's not a solution", to which I reply "he most definitely is a solution on a 1 year contract". In fact, his one year with these young forwards might teach them so much that it pushes the entire team to another level heading into the "open window" years.

I'd be super happy if the Flames did this. Even if it didn't work out as any calculated risk with a free agent might not work out, it's worth it to see the Flames attempt to add players who will put them at the next level. This could be one of those moves.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He puts Iginla and Giordano to shame, and does things that men half his age can't do physically. You don't need to manage his ice time..

I get what you're trying to say but the bolded isn't necessary.

Iginla and Giordano are two of the most dedicated and fit athletes in the league by the measure of their yearly fitness tests. The suggestion they're "put to shame" by anyone is a ridiculous statement.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure they have that much space

Maybe they have a player like Wotherspoon or Bartkowski going out. If they can sign Bennett for under $2.5MM AAV and deal one of their minimum roster guys for $0.9MM they should be ok. Also part of Jagr's comp could be bonus based - just have to wait and see.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I get what you're trying to say but the bolded isn't necessary.

Iginla and Giordano are two of the most dedicated and fit athletes in the league by the measure of their yearly fitness tests. The suggestion they're "put to shame" by anyone is a ridiculous statement.

It emphasizes the point he is making even if it is an exaggeration

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I get what you're trying to say but the bolded isn't necessary.

Iginla and Giordano are two of the most dedicated and fit athletes in the league by the measure of their yearly fitness tests. The suggestion they're "put to shame" by anyone is a ridiculous statement.

Well I think that is the point. As fit as those guys are, Jagr's ability to maintain similar fitness level at his age is amazing. Its not disparaging them, it's using them as an example to highlight his uniqueness.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Until Jarome announces his retirement or puts pen to paper with another club, I'm holding out hope.

We got it.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I get what you're trying to say but the bolded isn't necessary.

Iginla and Giordano are two of the most dedicated and fit athletes in the league by the measure of their yearly fitness tests. The suggestion they're "put to shame" by anyone is a ridiculous statement.

Do you think it's possible that Cali was trying to say that Jagr is just as fit as Iginla and Giordano instead of dissing them? Maybe?

[Jacks]

A jersey would be nice but I really want a Jagr action figure with the kung fu grip!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Do you think it's possible that Cali was trying to say that Jagr is just as fit as Iginla and Giordano instead of dissing them? Maybe?

I'm sure it's just more interesting to start a pissing contest with another poster.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm sure it's just more interesting to start a pissing contest with another poster.

This is pretty rich coming from you, both sides of the street contrarian No. 1.


I get the point. Saying it puts those players "to shame" was a poor choice of words. Period.

[Gaudfather]

Lots of guys running with Elliott Friedman's comments.

Flames coach Glen Gulutzan coaches Jarg when both were with the Dallas Stars. Calgary has been deemed a potential landing spot for Jagr this summer, perhaps because of the ex-Panthers forward's success working alongside younger counterparts in Florida.#

https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/r...ames-could-be/


and from Todd Cordell

You could argue the Flames should stick with that they have but I think they'd be a better team with Jagr than without.

He recorded 46 points last season and was a more efficient point producer at 5v5 than the likes of Alex Radulov, Derek Stepan, David Krejci, Ryan Kesler, Alex Galchenyuk and Tyler Johnson, among many others. Regardless of his age, or lack of foot speed, he's found a way to remain productive.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Todd-...Jagr/202/87019

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

This is pretty rich coming from you, both sides of the street contrarian No. 1.


I get the point. Saying it puts those players "to shame" was a poor choice of words. Period.

Chill GJG. No offense intended.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Chill GJG. No offense intended.

sarcastic barb / no offense intended.

lol, never change SB.

[dammage79]

If Jagr is close, I assume they have Bennett close to locked up as well. I don't think Jagr gets signed unless they know what they have to work with. As for Kulak/Wotherspoon? Well I'd wager that they're expendable seeing as the Flames have potentially 3 elc contracts in the system that can fill the spots.

[GoJetsGo]

I like Jagr and think it would be cool to see him in Red, but I agree with the comments a page back that he's bound to fall off drastically at some point, and with the salary he's going to command, that really ties up cap this year and prevents another big move from being made mid season.

On the fence somewhat, as I think he'd add some offense, but I think I'd lead towards passing.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I like Jagr and think it would be cool to see him in Red, but I agree with the comments a page back that he's bound to fall off drastically at some point, and with the salary he's going to command, that really ties up cap this year and prevents another big move from being made mid season.

On the fence somewhat, as I think he'd add some offense, but I think I'd lead towards passing.

Yes - Maybe he will fall raising Stanley in a Flaming C next June!

[Erick Estrada]

I want no part of guys like Iginla or Doan on the team but I would be okay with Jagr. Knowing how well he takes car of himself he's probably pretty mindful of the extra travel involved in playing out west and I'm not sure if it's something he's looking for. Maybe he's holding out for a better offer or an offer from an eastern team. Time will tell.

[Bingo]

at 3.7M and Bennett at 2 yrs 4.5 total they can make it.

But it does push Foo and Jankowski out of the picture because they'd need to go with 22 skaters and have Bartkowski and F. Hamilton as the extras (they make less than any one else)

[Erick Estrada]

I'd hate to see Jankowski pushed out but injuries can and will happen so one way or another he would likely see time with the big club.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I get what you're trying to say but the bolded isn't necessary.

Iginla and Giordano are two of the most dedicated and fit athletes in the league by the measure of their yearly fitness tests. The suggestion they're "put to shame" by anyone is a ridiculous statement.

Yeah but they have kids to take care of while Jagr is strapping on weights and skating lines late into the evening.

It's not an insult to other dedicated fit athletes, to say that they do not put in as much effort as Jagr does.