Can Troy Brouwer be salvaged?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Troy Brouwer should be embarrassed every time he gets paid.

Sometimes I feel this way about my boss, which means that he's not going anywhere and we should just learn to accept that he is protected from on high by the prince of darkness, hisself.

[Brick]

Darryl Sutter could probably get a lot more out of Troy Brouwer and many of the other players on the team.

Not sure if he would come back though.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Karl

Another scary thing about Brouwer is that he apparently came into camp in great shape according to all reports.

Yet it doesn't seem to have made a lick of any difference with him, and he looks even worse than he did last year.

My goodness. So depressing.

If the first part is true, that would imply the guy still cares.

[Stay Golden]

Gulutzan's teachers pet Brouwer 26 GP 5 assists no goals -6.
Yup the kind of useless plug he puts out in the PP with Monahan, Johnny, Ferland.
I don't care if Brouwer can be salvaged or not he has not earned a single second on the PP. He constantly leaves his man open on the PK and doesn't stick to his job of closing the shooting lane. Salvaged he should be in the minors and give his spot to a young man that wants to be in the NHL but lazy dumb goofs like Brouwer stand in their way. If the reason that Brouwer wears an "A" is because the team prefers a veteran than I say strip his A and give to the veteran who has been here a long time and grown with the Flames as a proven leader, Backlund.

[camm13]

Backlund should definitely be wearing the A. Brouwer got that handed to him before he even played a single game as a Flame. What does he do that exactly that earns him that recognition?

Doesn't contribute on the ice, doesn't lead by example, barely hits, barely fights, doesn't provide energy, contributes in the community? Nope, talks to media much, nope. So seriously what does he actually bring? Do guys even listen to him in the room if he can't back up his talk on ice? Backlund would be my first choice but my second would be Hamonic. The guy goes to battle for his team mates, he checks hard, he's a good team guy and a great character off the ice. The media seems to love the guy too, and he seems to never turn them away. Basically 3 more years of Brouwer unless we buy him out. Earned never given? Certainly not the case with him.

[TheOnlyBilko]

What an absolute Train wreck that Brouwer signing was.

[SeanCharles]

A buyout or a trade with retained salary needs to happen, there is no way Brouwer can turn his career around in Calgary.

We currently have 9 forwards who all deserve more icetime over him and that won't change next year as the likes of Dube, Mangiapane etc. push for a job.

Cut our losses and accept this mistake by remedying it.

I hated the signing the instant I heard about it. It's a mistake to sign 30+ year olds who have not played in your organization to 4+ year long deals when they are significant cap hits. If you do it you don't want to do so for a career ~40pt/yr winger.

[Hack&Lube]

These vet signings have just been bad. Should have learned after Mason Raymond.

Meanwhile Byron is big difference maker in Montreal

[mrdonkey]

Troy Brouwer is No Good.

[madmike]

Overall I think Treliving's asset management has been pretty poor.

Letting Byron go for nothing was bad. Baertschi was bad (although not 100% on Treliving). The Brouwer signing was bad. And the Hamonic deal is looking pretty awful.

On the bright side there's Hamilton and Smith. And the fact he didn't sign Elliott to a fat, long-term albatross of a contract.

[Ashasx]

Let's not trash the Frolik signing though, just to make that clear.

[PeteMoss]

The continued need to put Brouwer on the speciality team kills me.

He's also awful on the PK - 12 goals allowed while he's on the ice on the PK in 49 minutes. Only guy who's been on for more goals is Giordano and he's been on the ice for 83 minutes.

Hathaway or Bennett should take his PK time.

He's brutal on the PP. He's played 30 mins on the PP and the Flames has allowed as many shorthanded goals and they've scored PP goals during that time (2 GF - 2 GA).

Ferland who replaced Brouwer is at 11 GF, 3GA in 48 mins.

He should be no where near the ice on the PP.

Just take him of the speciality teams. If he's such a great leader - I'm confident he'll be able to survive a few games in the press box.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by madmike

Overall I think Treliving's asset management has been pretty poor.

Letting Byron go for nothing was bad. Baertschi was bad (although not 100% on Treliving). The Brouwer signing was bad. And the Hamonic deal is looking pretty awful.

On the bright side there's Hamilton and Smith. And the fact he didn't sign Elliott to a fat, long-term albatross of a contract.

Treliving is thoughtful, calm and articulate. All qualities you want in a GM. But a mixed record on his moves once you take away the pending UFA auctions. For the most part, the best players on this team were already here when he arrived.

At some point, he concludes the current team is not on a championship trajectory. Or has already concluded. Since he basically has no picks in the next draft it will be interesting to see his next move.

That's why so many people want a coaching change. It seems like an easy upgrade compared to any other move he can make.

[killer_carlson]

I think Treliving's biggest blunder on Brouwer was not moving him to Vegas. I get the initial signing, but once it was shown to be a disaster, you have to move on.

With Vegas there was a GM under whom he'd performed well. The Flames should have been providing Kulak or other assets to Vegas to get them to take Brouwer. This, in addition to Engellend who everyone knew was signing there anyways.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The continued need to put Brouwer on the speciality team kills me.

He's also awful on the PK - 12 goals allowed while he's on the ice on the PK in 49 minutes. Only guy who's been on for more goals is Giordano and he's been on the ice for 83 minutes.

Hathaway or Bennett should take his PK time.

He's brutal on the PP. He's played 30 mins on the PP and the Flames has allowed as many shorthanded goals and they've scored PP goals during that time (2 GF - 2 GA).

Ferland who replaced Brouwer is at 11 GF, 3GA in 48 mins.

He should be no where near the ice on the PP.

Just take him of the speciality teams. If he's such a great leader - I'm confident he'll be able to survive a few games in the press box.

This is clear evidence that GG is not a good coach. How can people argue against this? No matter how much he plays Brouwer, the results will not improve. Put him on the 4th line only, tell him to start hitting and fighting or else scratch him.

I will be absolutely shocked it Brower is not bought out this summer.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by madmike

Overall I think Treliving's asset management has been pretty poor.

Letting Byron go for nothing was bad. Baertschi was bad (although not 100% on Treliving). The Brouwer signing was bad. And the Hamonic deal is looking pretty awful.

On the bright side there's Hamilton and Smith. And the fact he didn't sign Elliott to a fat, long-term albatross of a contract.

Granlund for Shinkarak is not a good trade either.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by camm13

Granlund for Shinkarak is not a good trade either.

Granlund was never going to get the opportunity here when we were stacked on C and LW. That's just how it goes. I'm sure he'd be a superstar in AZ. The same thing goes for Baertschi. Both of these players have gotten more playing time in Vancouver because Vancouver didn't have very many options better than these two.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Granlund was never going to get the opportunity here when we were stacked on C and LW. That's just how it goes. I'm sure he'd be a superstar in AZ. The same thing goes for Baertschi. Both of these players have gotten more playing time in Vancouver because Vancouver didn't have very many options better than these two.

Yeah they would be terrible on our 4th line....

We have a blackhole of a 4th line, and we got no players on the current roster in these trades.

They were bad trades. It happens. But let's not pretend we didn't loose those trades.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yeah they would be terrible on our 4th line....

We have a blackhole of a 4th line, and we got no players on the current roster in these trades.

They were bad trades. It happens. But let's not pretend we didn't loose those trades.

I prefer Andersson over Baertschi. Granlund and Shinkaruk was kind of a dumb move, but it's more that Shinkaruk has not made the push to be an NHLer. I guess that Vancouver wins the trade, but it's not like they are going to win a cup with Granlund as the leader. It was and still is a minor trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yeah they would be terrible on our 4th line....

We have a blackhole of a 4th line, and we got no players on the current roster in these trades.

They were bad trades. It happens. But let's not pretend we didn't loose those trades.

Granlund was useful enough, but was never going to be more than a tweener here, especially when Bennett looked like a more sure thing.

Baertschi was, in fact, a terrible fourth liner. He simply cannot play that role, and would never be a higher winger on this team. he needs second line minutes and linemates to make any impact. Even now, I think he's the product of this linemates and not a real impact player. What winger on the Flames' lines 1-3 would he displace? And if you want him on the fourth line over Brouwer and/or Versteeg/Hathaway/Lazar/Stajan/Freddie, is he a better option than Mangiapane?