[News] Vegas signs Engelland from Flames in expansion draft (1yr, $1mil + $1mil bonus)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not really, you could have payed to get rid of Brouwer...debatable if that's better

Vegas isn't gonna sign him for 1M come on now...he is for sure making over 2M and probably over 3M

On a +35 contract? I will be surprised if it is close to $3.0 m.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not really, you could have payed to get rid of Brouwer...debatable if that's better

Vegas isn't gonna sign him for 1M come on now...he is for sure making over 2M and probably over 3M

It was just an example, I went high and low, anyways, like I said we might have been able to do better, not likely and maybe not at an acceptable price.

We cant complain really, we got through this, like I said, fairly unscathed.

We didnt gain any assets or ditch any liabilities, we kind of just skated through, its fine, obviously it could have been better and management is comfortable with the current makeup of the team.

Sometimes doing nothing is doing something, but a lot of people came to like him as a player, but thats the way this sport goes.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

By this measure you must feel that the Canucks are a deeper team than the Flames, since it is rumoured that VGK selected Luca Sbisa from their impressive crop of defensemen.

And the Flames are deeper than the Oilers, given Vegas took a future career AHLer from them.

[azzarish]

At this rate there will nobody to reveal tonight. All 30 teams picks will known. Lol

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Rather they take a contract like Brouwer, Stajan, Bouma or RFA like Chiasson.

This is better than Kulak, Porier, Shinkaruk

Sure but the Flames would have had to pay to get Vegas to take on one of those contracts and the org seems to be low on picks already as it is. Mgmt doesn't hate Brouwer like fans do and this is best case scenario for the expansion draft.

Hopefully no Wideman UFA contracts are given out to fill the holes on defence.

[TheScorpion]

The good news about this is that Treliving can now get to work signing Versteeg and Stone without having to worry about this ####ing draft again.

[Lil Pedro]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Flames as of today have $19.5 m of cap space with nine forwards, four defensemen, and a goalie under contract. New deals are owed to Bennett, Ferland, Lazar and Chaisson, and they need to add a top-four defenseman. There is still a fair bit of room with which they can fill out the roster.

Stone: $3.75 CH
Bennett: $2.75 CH
Ferland: $2.0 CH
Lazar: $1.5 CH
Chiasson: $1.75 CH

Leaves about $7.75 in space, with obviously some lower cap hit RFAs to deal with, potentially Chad Johnson resign and a bottom six UFA F. Going to be tight

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

On a +35 contract? I will be surprised if it is close to $3.0 m.

Its over 2M for sure in Vegas...and there is no way he takes less than 3M to stay in Calgary IMO

Teams are giving up first rounders plus to protect their players....Flames lost a 3M UFA 5th defenceman who was gone anyway

[TheKurgan]

Wow, I am surprised Vegas would waste a pick on Engelland. Since he is a UFA and lives in Las Vegas I thought there was a better than 50/50 he would end up signing there anyway.

Guess it shows how much we overvalue some of our prospects (Kulak, Porier, Shinkaruk) if Vegas takes a pass on them over a UFA

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Stone: $3.75 CH
Bennett: $2.75 CH
Ferland: $2.0 CH
Lazar: $1.5 CH
Chiasson: $1.75 CH

Leaves about $7.75 in space, with obviously some lower cap hit RFAs to deal with, potentially Chad Johnson resign and a bottom six UFA F. Going to be tight

Yes, it's not just the cap either; it's the number of one-way contracts we have and the need to makes some space for guys like Jankowski, Hathaway (who probably wants a one-way), Kulak and Andersson to play.

[bubbsy]

Argh but what of my dreams of not seeing Stajan, bouma, or Brouwer?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Stone: $3.75 CH
Bennett: $2.75 CH
Ferland: $2.0 CH
Lazar: $1.5 CH
Chiasson: $1.75 CH

Leaves about $7.75 in space, with obviously some lower cap hit RFAs to deal with, potentially Chad Johnson resign and a bottom six UFA F. Going to be tight

looks pretty good to me...and there are still potential moves to be made

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Stone: $3.75 CH
Bennett: $2.75 CH
Ferland: $2.0 CH
Lazar: $1.5 CH
Chiasson: $1.75 CH

Leaves about $7.75 in space, with obviously some lower cap hit RFAs to deal with, potentially Chad Johnson resign and a bottom six UFA F. Going to be tight

unless they are looking at Versteeg I don't think they need to go looking for a UFA forward. likely add Jankowski to the list. they will need a backup G and 2 more D

[dino7c]

"they never let our young D prospects play and develop"

"OMG we lost our 3M 5th Dman!"

signed CP

[oldschoolcalgary]

wow...

Thrilled if this is true... calgary loses a guy that most likely would have been on the move on July 1 anyways?

this was probably my second most hoped for outcome (with Brouwer being picked up as the best).

Really hope we are able to lock up Stone now in that #4 slot and he worked pretty well with TJB...

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Stone: $3.75 CH
Bennett: $2.75 CH
Ferland: $2.0 CH
Lazar: $1.5 CH
Chiasson: $1.75 CH

Leaves about $7.75 in space, with obviously some lower cap hit RFAs to deal with, potentially Chad Johnson resign and a bottom six UFA F. Going to be tight

Stone and Bennett are about right. I don't see Ferland making more than 1.5 and Lazar more than 1.1. Chiasson will probably allowed to walk if he wants more than 1.2.

Hopefully the Flames can find a way to move Bouma/Stajan to allow room for some guys to come up and play. We have to see what we have in Janko + Shinkaruk + Hathaway + Klimchuk + Poirier. Can't do that if we leave them all in Stockton.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by looooob

unless they are looking at Versteeg I don't think they need to go looking for a UFA forward. likely add Jankowski to the list. they will need a backup G and 2 more D

Yeah any forward they add other than Versteeg has is via trade with salary going the other way

Season doesn't start tomorrow, much more to come

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheKurgan

Guess it shows how much we overvalue some of our prospects (Kulak, Porier, Shinkaruk) if Vegas takes a pass on them over a UFA

Does it really?
http://www.calgarypuck.com/2016/08/2...kings-summary/
Calgarypuck rated Shinkaruk our 7th best prospect. So pretty meh. Combine that with his waiver status and you can see he's not that valuable.
Calgarypuck rated Poirier our 8th best prospect. And that's before he left the farm team and missed most of the year. He'd probably be in the mid teens when we re-rank this summer.
Kulak was rated our 12th best prospect. So pretty meh. Combine that with his waiver status and you can see he's not that valuable.

So do we really overvalue them? I'd argue we never valued them THAT highly to begin with and their waiver status makes them even less valuable.

[Toonage]

Ferland has arb rights. Can't see him making any less than Bouma.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Then why would they pick him if they were uncertain? Why take the chance instead of picking a sure thing?

Just spitballing. He could be the player from Calgary they covet most.