Should we be going for Ovie?

[jg13]

Isn't this Twitter account the same one that said Sam Bennett has requested a trade?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one I guess.

This a 6'3" 240lbs man who skates like the wind, hits like a mack truck and scores 33 goals in a "down" season. 6 Richard's and 3 Hart's. The greatest goal scorer of our generation.

I'm ok giving up a few futures for the legit opportunity to have this team go from the walking stage to the running stage over the next 4 seasons. Plus, 4 years from now, the only member s of the Flames current core who would be 30 or older are Gio, Backlund and Brodie (who would be just turning 30), so it wouldn't be the last of our opportunity to compete. We'd STILL have a strong core at that point to retool with.


Although, I have to reiterate, I'd be scared ####less of the Russian factor, and the Olympics and all that.

What makes you thhik Ovechkin gets it done with Monahan/Backlund down the middle when he couldn't get to the third round with Kuznetsov and Backstrom?

Our best hope still lies in a 60 point Sam Bennett at center, not any winger even Ovechkin. At this point Bennett has as little probability of becoming that as Ovechkin does of getting over the hump.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jg13

Isn't this Twitter account the same one that said Sam Bennett has requested a trade?

Yes

The guy has zero sources

[jg13]

If this was the regular season nobody would even bat an eye.

Everyone's just bored with the lack of hockey news so this guy went out of his way to try to get traction to his bs twitter account.

Nothing to see here unfortunately as I would love to see Ovechkin on this team

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Our best hope still lies in a 60 point Sam Bennett at center, not any winger even Ovechkin

That was sort of my point. What if we could have both? As in if management feels confident in Jankowski being a high end 2 or 3C he can take Bennett's spot and if that were to happen we'd have both theoretically. 3 deep at C and a rocket Richard all star caliber winger.

Also, you are discounting Gaudreau. While OV had Backstrom/Kuz at center, he's never played with a winger on the opposite side who's at the level of Johnny IMO.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What makes you thhik Ovechkin gets it done with Monahan/Backlund down the middle when he couldn't get to the third round with Kuznetsov and Backstrom?


Our best hope still lies in a 60 point Sam Bennett at center, not any winger even Ovechkin. At this point Bennett has as little probability of becoming that as Ovechkin does of getting over the hump.

Because the playoffs is a huge crapshoot. Literally anyone who makes it in has a serious fighting chance at winning the cup. And in a short season (as opposed to an 82 game regular season) a lot more upsets and shock results can occur.

For the record, I don't want Ovie either given the likely HUGE acquisiton cost but can still understand the argument for getting him because of the fact that he is the best goal scorer of his era.

[Insane_Flame]

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...-alex-ovechkin

There you go, proof positive! (sarcasm)

[dino7c]

Lol this fake rumor is blowing up on facebook

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

Exactly. He can't. So why eat 9.5mil per year for a declining 31 year old?

I get it, he's a great goal scorer. But his age and contract don't make any sense for this Flames team where they currently stand.

Because he fills multiple glaring holes in the lineup. He's big, he's a right show that can play RW, and he'd instantly become the best player on the team.

Yeah he makes a lot, but that's the price to pay for legitimate superstars.

He's scored 50 goals 3 of the last 4 years, I think it's a little silly to say he's declining because of one "down" season (and I use that term VERY loosely because 69 points is still fantastic).

Not every player on our team has to be under 30. 31 is not old. At the very worst you probably still get 5 really good years out of him. A player of his calibre possibly more.

The Flames window is opening, and Ovi would be a great add in my opinion. I'm genuinely baffled that some people wouldn't want him.

[1_Flames_Fan]

If he can play goal and win us some games go for it!

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Because he fills multiple glaring holes in the lineup. He's big, he's a right show that can play RW, and he'd instantly become the best player on the team

He fills exactly 1 hole. Goal scoring. Big time importance yes, but we also have faceoff, defensive and goaltending holes. He isn't a fit for this current team.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Because he fills multiple glaring holes in the lineup. He's big, he's a right show that can play RW, and he'd instantly become the best player on the team.

Yeah he makes a lot, but that's the price to pay for legitimate superstars.

He's scored 50 goals 3 of the last 4 years, I think it's a little silly to say he's declining because of one "down" season (and I use that term VERY loosely because 69 points is still fantastic).

Not every player on our team has to be under 30. 31 is not old. At the very worst you probably still get 5 really good years out of him. A player of his calibre possibly more.

The Flames window is opening, and Ovi would be a great add in my opinion. I'm genuinely baffled that some people wouldn't want him.

Giving up a cost controlled, high upside, 21 year old centre that has speed, skill and a mean streak could make people reluctant. That doesn't mention that Pvi is 32 and makes nearly $3M more per season than anyone else on our roster. He has played for a stacked team with a top 5 goalie, elite play making center, depth at all positions and has not won more than 7 games in any particular playoff.

Yes I want Ovi on the Flames but not at the cost of a young core player

[TheAlpineOracle]

I know he's really young and only played for 2.5 years, but i'm no longer sold on Bennett. He doesn't really give me any vibes that he's going to be anything more than a bottom 6 guy. If you can get a guy like Ovechkin for a first in this year's terrible draft and a guy like Bennett, you do it. Ovechkin on the right wing with Gaudreau feeding him the puck would be absolutely lethal.

Not sure why so many people see Bennett as a untouchable. Gaudreau, Monahan, and Hamilton should be the only untouchable guys on this roster. Bennett hasn't really did anything in the past two years that would make me think he is a lock to be a core player.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

He fills exactly 1 hole. Goal scoring. Big time importance yes, but we also have faceoff, defensive and goaltending holes. He isn't a fit for this current team.

He's 6'3" 239 lbs and actually uses his size. I'd say he provides some size and physicality as well, which the Flames desperately need. It was painfully obvious in the playoffs that the team needs to get bigger, and Ovechkin definitely helps in that department.

Yes the team has other issues, and outside of goaltending I think this is the biggest one. I guess we'll just have to disagree as I think Ovi would be a great addition.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Only if he charges his controller fully before the game.

Re quoted for truth

[TheFlamesVan]

So outside of offense which I have agreed he excels at, he uses his size for what exactly? Flames have less goal scoring issues than they have goal preventing issues.

[Torch]

Definite Yes

Opens up ice for Johnny.
Hell of a team

Johnny Monahan Ovie
Chuck Backs Frolik
Lazer Jank Ferly
Chas Staj bro hath vert

Hamilton Gio
Brodie Stone
Bart

Johnson Moose

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol this fake rumor is blowing up on facebook

Yup, I just saw it there as well. So annoying. Give us some real rumours, not this make-believe bull####.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

So outside of offense which I have agreed he excels at, he uses his size for what exactly? Flames have less goal scoring issues than they have goal preventing issues.

Okay, but I'm not sure how their defensive issues are relevant to the Ovechkin discussion.

Ovi uses his size to hit, win battles on the boards, protect the puck, you name it. The only issue I've seen with Ovechkin is his defensive play can be spotty at times.

When I look at the Flames lineup I see three glaring needs: a goal scoring RW (yes Ovi is LW but he shoots right and can play Rw), a solid 4th defenseman, and a starting goaltender. Clearly you value the goaltending and defence over the RW, which is fine, but that doesn't mean you can just ignore the other need.

I'm just not sure what your argument against him is. You've said you don't think he's a fit but I'm not really sure why or how he isn't a fit. His salary isn't ideal but I'm willing to pay it for a player as good as Ovi.

[Mr.Coffee]

Ovechkin would be pretty cool. Definitely improves the offense in the near term. Not sure I'd like the cost though as if it's Kylington Bennett and 1st, that's a lot. Probably worth it though for a legit star.

Other name from Washington to consider is Alzner who provides a bit more defensive responsibility on the 2nd D pairing and could be had relatively inexpensively prior to free agency.